@gingerninja2003 Yes, I do too
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#544
HudsonFosterK wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
HudsonFosterK wrote:
Also, how do you believe that something as delicate and amazing as a human could be created by evolution?
Because we know how evolution works. creatures have random mutations in their DNA, the ones that positively affect the creatures chances of the reproduction will be passed on and will eventually dominate the gene pool. Over millions of years (that's a lot of mutations). eventually, create the animal kingdom we have today.
But that would take much longer to create a human, there are no links between apes and humans, and why aren't we changing anymore?
Millions of years is plenty of time. There isn't a cutoff point between species when people go right, at this exact point a new apes no longer exist and we now have humans it's a very slow and gradual process.
We have changed a little bit since we graced the earth 100,000+ years ago. There is so much diversity in our species.
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#546
gingerninja2003 wrote:
HudsonFosterK wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
HudsonFosterK wrote:
Also, how do you believe that something as delicate and amazing as a human could be created by evolution?
Because we know how evolution works. creatures have random mutations in their DNA, the ones that positively affect the creatures chances of the reproduction will be passed on and will eventually dominate the gene pool. Over millions of years (that's a lot of mutations). eventually, create the animal kingdom we have today.
But that would take much longer to create a human, there are no links between apes and humans, and why aren't we changing anymore?
Millions of years is plenty of time. There isn't a cutoff point between species when people go right, at this exact point a new apes no longer exist and we now have humans it's a very slow and gradual process.
We have changed a little bit since we graced the earth 100,000+ years ago. There is so much diversity in our species.
How have we changed? And where are the links? And do you have any idea how amazing even a tiny part of our body is????
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#547
Jesus_Is_C0ming wrote:
Of course people who dont believe in Christ go to hell!
So god is convicting people of thought crime? What happens in my head doesn't negatively or positively affect anyone.
What about the people in the middle east or North Korea who will never ever get a chance to believe in christ.
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#548
"For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."
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#549
gingerninja2003 wrote:
Jesus_Is_C0ming wrote:
Of course people who dont believe in Christ go to hell!
So god is convicting people of thought crime? What happens in my head doesn't negatively or positively affect anyone.
What about the people in the middle east or North Korea who will never ever get a chance to believe in christ.
Thats where we Christians come in. We’re here to spread God’s Word and Love. To lost souls who’ve never know Christ, and people like you, who have been blinded by Satan
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#550
Ginarook wrote:
Jesus_Is_C0ming wrote:
Ginarook wrote:
No actually, I have the answers, the difference between us is that you seek such answers from an external force, one for which there is no concrete evidence that it even exists.
I have worked out my own answers.
Are you another who has been brought up with religion by any chance ? those other two refused to answer that question, will you as well
Your own answers? What are they based on? You cant just take something and say “this is whatever i want/think it to be”...it doesnt work that way, in case you didnt know.
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I’m so glad I grew up in a Christian home. God gave me a good family. He is sooo good. I feel sorry for the people that dont know Christ. But as long as i live, i will try and turn them from the path of hell. And frankly, you’re on that path. Could you describe hell in your mind for me?
I knew that was the case didn't I ?
I'm sorry but after 8 years in a "religious school" it is very easy to tell those who have not had much of a chance to think for themselves, still its your life, live it as you choose
You havent answered my question. What does hell look like in your mind?
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#551
HudsonFosterK wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
HudsonFosterK wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
HudsonFosterK wrote:
Also, how do you believe that something as delicate and amazing as a human could be created by evolution?
Because we know how evolution works. creatures have random mutations in their DNA, the ones that positively affect the creatures chances of the reproduction will be passed on and will eventually dominate the gene pool. Over millions of years (that's a lot of mutations). eventually, create the animal kingdom we have today.
But that would take much longer to create a human, there are no links between apes and humans, and why aren't we changing anymore?
Millions of years is plenty of time. There isn't a cutoff point between species when people go right, at this exact point a new apes no longer exist and we now have humans it's a very slow and gradual process.
We have changed a little bit since we graced the earth 100,000+ years ago. There is so much diversity in our species.
How have we changed? And where are the links? And do you have any idea how amazing even a tiny part of our body is????
You underestimate how long millions of years actually is.
When we originated in Africa we would've almost exclusively had dark skin since it's very hot there, now there is lot's of diversity as in Europe, which is relatively cold that is no longer a competitive advantage and thus there is lots of diversity.
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#552
HudsonFosterK wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
HudsonFosterK wrote:
Also, how do you believe that something as delicate and amazing as a human could be created by evolution?
Because we know how evolution works. creatures have random mutations in their DNA, the ones that positively affect the creatures chances of the reproduction will be passed on and will eventually dominate the gene pool. Over millions of years (that's a lot of mutations). eventually, create the animal kingdom we have today.
But that would take much longer to create a human
Unsubstantiated assertion. In truth observed rates of mutation fit nicely with the observed evolutionary relationships,.
, there are no links between apes and humans,
Just ignorant of the facts. There are a large number of fossils from the last 5 million years or so that show species intermediate between modern humans and a common ancestor with our closest related species (chimps and bonobos).
and why aren't we changing anymore?
False pretext.
There is not only no reason to believe there is no change occurring, there are clear examples from recent evolution of humans of such evolutionary changes. Every individual human has a small number of mutations, and natural selection applies to all of these.
As it happens, human evolution has been exceptionally rapid in the last 10,000 years for two reasons. The first is that the fitness function has changed enormously in response to the enormous effect of humans on their environment. Fitness (in the evolutionary sense) in the modern world is very different from fitness in even the recent Bronze Age and more so to the Neolithic. The second factor is that the human population has become very large, and increasingly heterogeneous due to easier relocation. This means that more mutations occur and these can affect a larger portion of the gene pool more quickly.
For examples, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_human_evolution#Holocene
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#553
Jesus_Is_C0ming wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
Jesus_Is_C0ming wrote:
Of course people who dont believe in Christ go to hell!
So god is convicting people of thought crime? What happens in my head doesn't negatively or positively affect anyone.
What about the people in the middle east or North Korea who will never ever get a chance to believe in christ.
Thats where we Christians come in. We’re here to spread God’s Word and Love. To lost souls who’ve never know Christ, and people like you, who have been blinded by Satan
But you haven't presented any reasonable evidence. Why should god convict people of thought crime? That would be the heart of the most evil dictatorship ever, where people are constantly watched and are never free locked in mind forged manacles.
"If we were put on trial for our thoughts we'd all be hanged". (can't remember who said that)
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#554
Ginarook wrote:
Jesus_Is_C0ming wrote:
Ginarook wrote:
No actually, I have the answers, the difference between us is that you seek such answers from an external force, one for which there is no concrete evidence that it even exists.
I have worked out my own answers.
Are you another who has been brought up with religion by any chance ? those other two refused to answer that question, will you as well
Your own answers? What are they based on? You cant just take something and say “this is whatever i want/think it to be”...it doesnt work that way, in case you didnt know.
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I’m so glad I grew up in a Christian home. God gave me a good family. He is sooo good. I feel sorry for the people that dont know Christ. But as long as i live, i will try and turn them from the path of hell. And frankly, you’re on that path. Could you describe hell in your mind for me?
I can describe Heaven, based on what your "colleagues" have said.
It will be full of awful people, criminals, murderers ,rapists and so on, who just happened to decide to repent and whatever at the end of their lives.
Do you want to live with them ?
What kind of paradise is that exactly lol
You are welcome to it, on earth we lock them up or excecute them, your God likes them,if they like him it seems.
He is awful !
1). You still havent answered my question. What is hell to you?
2). There will never be those kind of people in Heaven.
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#555
What percentage of people actually go to heaven? Why should thinkers get the same punishment as murderers.
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#556
gingerninja2003 wrote:
What percentage of people actually go to heaven? Why should thinkers get the same punishment as murderers.
Define thinkers.
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#557
Ginarook wrote:
Jesus_Is_C0ming wrote:
Ginarook wrote:
No actually, I have the answers, the difference between us is that you seek such answers from an external force, one for which there is no concrete evidence that it even exists.
I have worked out my own answers.
Are you another who has been brought up with religion by any chance ? those other two refused to answer that question, will you as well
Your own answers? What are they based on? You cant just take something and say “this is whatever i want/think it to be”...it doesnt work that way, in case you didnt know.
———
I’m so glad I grew up in a Christian home. God gave me a good family. He is sooo good. I feel sorry for the people that dont know Christ. But as long as i live, i will try and turn them from the path of hell. And frankly, you’re on that path. Could you describe hell in your mind for me?
I can describe Heaven, based on what your "colleagues" have said.
It will be full of awful people, criminals, murderers ,rapists and so on, who just happened to decide to repent and whatever at the end of their lives.
Do you want to live with them ?
What kind of paradise is that exactly lol
You are welcome to it, on earth we lock them up or excecute them, your God likes them,if they like him it seems.
He is awful !
Gimme proof that He is """"""awful""""".
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#558
Jesus_Is_C0ming wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
What percentage of people actually go to heaven? Why should thinkers get the same punishment as murderers.
Define thinkers.
People who have done nothing wrong except have the thought in their head that god does not exist.
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#559
gingerninja2003 wrote:
Jesus_Is_C0ming wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
What percentage of people actually go to heaven? Why should thinkers get the same punishment as murderers.
Define thinkers.
People who have done nothing wrong except have the thought in their head that god does not exist.
We are naturally sinners from birth. Have you even done something bad in your life? I HIGHLY bet you have. We all have! You cannot be saved until you recieve Christ in your heart.
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#560
Ginarook wrote:
HudsonFosterK wrote:
"For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."
And that satisfies you ???
Fine, go look forward to eternal life with the death bed convert rapists, psychopaths, perverts, murderers and so on.
I'm sure you will have some lovely chats and worship sessions with them
Will do!
Also, how do you believe that something as delicate and amazing as a human could be created by evolution?
Because we know how evolution works. creatures have random mutations in their DNA, the ones that positively affect the creatures chances of the reproduction will be passed on and will eventually dominate the gene pool. Over millions of years (that's a lot of mutations). eventually, create the animal kingdom we have today.
But that would take much longer to create a human, there are no links between apes and humans, and why aren't we changing anymore?