Controversial Topic (Creation vs Evolution 2?)

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Onepiecemania
eryxc wrote:

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My topic:

Have you ever asked yourself, where the universe came from? Why everything exists instead of just nothing? Typically disbelievers imply Out of nothing, comes nothing.  So why does the universe exist instead of just nothing? Where did it come from? There must have been a cause which brought the universe into being.

Whatever begins to exist has a cause, The universe began to exist therefore the universe has a cause

given that this is a fact we can draw a conclusion that from the very nature of the case, this cause must be a changeless, timeless and immaterial being which created the universe. It must be uncaused because we have seen that there cannot be an infinite regress of causes. It must be timeless and therefore changeless-at least without the universe-because it created time. Because it also created space, it must transcend space as well and therfore be immaterial, not physical.

This is why you hear me screaming at night

thegreatauk
Ginarook wrote:
thegreatauk wrote:
regi-mental wrote:

a circle has no beginning

 

Supposing the "universe" was "created" does that meanif we go around it in a circle eventually it will go into nothing and then reform again?

Interesting idea, quite possible as well, an infinite repetition, why not

If it were the case how far are we through the repetition? That s the question. Also will human life die off a while before it repeats itself?

thegreatauk
thegreatauk wrote:
Ginarook wrote:
thegreatauk wrote:
regi-mental wrote:

a circle has no beginning

 

Supposing the "universe" was "created" does that meanif we go around it in a circle eventually it will go into nothing and then reform again?

Interesting idea, quite possible as well, an infinite repetition, why not

If it were the case how far are we through the repetition? That s the question. Also will human life die off a while before it repeats itself?

And also how many times has the "universe" been through the cycle.

HolographWars

How is this Creation vs Evolution? 

HolographWars
Ginarook wrote:
regi-mental wrote:
HolographWars wrote:
jaredjm wrote:

but where did the big bang come from?

From an intelligent being who created the world, to say it is random chance is meaningless because spontaneous generation has been REFUTED. For some reason scientists still believe in it, though it was disproven in the nineteenth century.

oh well, if it's been refuted, never mind.

I guess all questions have already been answered, but only people with access to magic secrets know everything

No, he is totally wrong about that, unless he is talking about Ancient History lol

I don’t think 1850s are ancient history.

HolographWars

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Okay, but God could have just said, “Let there be light”, and boom, it happens. An infinite being can create something out of nothing. 

The universe is fine-tuned so that if any reaction was off during the Big Bang, the starts would fly off too slowly, where the universe would collapse on its own weight, or too quickly, resulting in no galaxies and thus no life.

So that can in a way strengthen the intelligent being creation. 

Junebug444

Just poking my head in here. Can we really amount the unknown to some "being" as humans have countless times in the past? The longer we live, the more about the universe we know, and the progress we're making is pretty extraordinary, in my opinion. However, we still only understand less than 5% of the KNOWN universe. Without actually being able to define the aspects of the universe we know exists, including dark energy and dark matter, what gives us the right to just amount all of that to some limitless, intelligent being?

regi-mental
jaredjm wrote:
HolographWars wrote:

How was life created at first? You cant just throw a bunch of chemicals into a pot and get a living organism. 

That's why it makes more sense to have an intelligent Creator being

how was the intelligent being created first?

you can't just throw a bunch of wishes and superstitions into a pot and get an omnipotent organism.

HolographWars
regi-mental wrote:
jaredjm wrote:
HolographWars wrote:

How was life created at first? You cant just throw a bunch of chemicals into a pot and get a living organism. 

That's why it makes more sense to have an intelligent Creator being

how was the intelligent being created first?

you can't just throw a bunch of wishes and superstitions into a pot and get an omnipotent organism.

Well, an intelligent being has been around for eternity.

Its true that immediate proof of an intelligent being cannot be given, but we can find out by working backwards. If 

HolographWars

Which has more probability:

An intelligent being with 100% power created the universe 

Or we are all just a clump of cells made completely randomly.

There is a reason a real functioning human will never be cloned. Humans have one things that animals do not. A soul, which makes us completely non-fish, deer, etc. Also, everything in your pure body has a purpose. Totally random indeed.

HolographWars
Junebug444 wrote:

Just poking my head in here. Can we really amount the unknown to some "being" as humans have countless times in the past? The longer we live, the more about the universe we know, and the progress we're making is pretty extraordinary, in my opinion. However, we still only understand less than 5% of the KNOWN universe. Without actually being able to define the aspects of the universe we know exists, including dark energy and dark matter, what gives us the right to just amount all of that to some limitless, intelligent being?

Science has limitations as well. 

regi-mental
HolographWars wrote:

Which has more probability:

An intelligent being with 100% power created the universe 

Or we are all just a clump of cells made completely randomly.

There is a reason a real functioning human will never be cloned. Humans have one things that animals do not. A soul, which makes us completely non-fish, deer, etc. Also, everything in your pure body has a purpose. Totally random indeed.

a wise man has questions.  you seem to have all the answers.

jaredjm
regi-mental wrote:
HolographWars wrote:

Which has more probability:

An intelligent being with 100% power created the universe 

Or we are all just a clump of cells made completely randomly.

There is a reason a real functioning human will never be cloned. Humans have one things that animals do not. A soul, which makes us completely non-fish, deer, etc. Also, everything in your pure body has a purpose. Totally random indeed.

a wise man has questions.  you seem to have all the answers.

He's right tho

regi-mental
HolographWars wrote:

Which has more probability:

An intelligent being with 100% power created the universe 

Or we are all just a clump of cells made completely randomly.

There is a reason a real functioning human will never be cloned. Humans have one things that animals do not. A soul, which makes us completely non-fish, deer, etc. Also, everything in your pure body has a purpose. Totally random indeed.

the idea that those are the only two possibilities is preposterous.

try opening your mind a little bit.

-what if the universe as we know it was created by an intelligent design, but the designer is not a god?

-what if a god did create the universe, but died in the process?

-what if the universe is required to create a god?  first the natural, then the super-natural.

-what if the universe is just a tiny part of reality?

etc

etc

etc

eryxc
HolographWars wrote:

How is this Creation vs Evolution? 

Indubitable through my post, it seems to be a point of view of who or what created the world or universe. Therefore I kind of just named it that to get the people in here from the original creation vs evolution

jaredjm

If it was created by intelligent design, how would it not be a god? I guess you don't have to call it a god, but it's still this idea of a perfect, intelligent, all-powerful being.

The universe is not required to create a god. How would the universe have come into existence then?

Even if the universe is merely a tiny part of reality that still doesn't affect the current question. 

eryxc
Junebug444 wrote:

Just poking my head in here. Can we really amount the unknown to some "being" as humans have countless times in the past? The longer we live, the more about the universe we know, and the progress we're making is pretty extraordinary, in my opinion. However, we still only understand less than 5% of the KNOWN universe. Without actually being able to define the aspects of the universe we know exists, including dark energy and dark matter, what gives us the right to just amount all of that to some limitless, intelligent being?

Oh hi juny

SoulMate333

All of the modern evidence denies, detonates, destroys, demolishes and defenestrates the Darwinian idea that any simple life can evolve into complex life forms. Every empirical data shows genetic degradation leading to extinction. The fact is that no scientific evidence supports Darwinism. There's no lab experiment, no rigid mathematical model and no computer simulation supporting Darwinism. All these have been tried and show that this theory has no chance of working.  Darwinism claims that random processes are able to generate vast amounts of specified information which powers evolution. Evidence does not support this claim.

Darwinism is a pseudo-science and a metaphysical position:

  1. No rigid Mathematical basis - Darwinian claims rest on undisciplined imagination,
  2. No demonstrated Empirical basis,
  3. No large scale Computer Simulation ever confirmed Darwinism,
  4. Random Mutation and Natural Selection are grossly unfit as "creative" engines,
  5. Information is not reducible to a material basis,
  6. There is no known example of a code (DNA) originating by natural means,
  7. The fossil record is inconsistent with Darwinism,
  8. Findings from molecular biology undermine Darwinism.
  9. Life from non-life has never been observed.
10. Irreducibly complex systems have never been refuted.
11. The only direction for natural selection is increased entropy. There are no exceptions!

Things don't create codes. All codes come from programmers and information comes only from intelligence. THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS! There's no empirical evidence or a large scale computer simulation suggesting that natural or random processes are able to create or increase specified information.

jaredjm
Ginarook wrote:
jaredjm wrote:
regi-mental wrote:
HolographWars wrote:

Which has more probability:

An intelligent being with 100% power created the universe 

Or we are all just a clump of cells made completely randomly.

There is a reason a real functioning human will never be cloned. Humans have one things that animals do not. A soul, which makes us completely non-fish, deer, etc. Also, everything in your pure body has a purpose. Totally random indeed.

a wise man has questions.  you seem to have all the answers.

He's right tho

No lol, he isn't right at all.

Just one point, does he have a soulometer that can measure a soul's prescence ? no of course he doesn't, so the statement " Humans have one things that animals do not. A soul " is pure nonsense lol

Then why are humans rational, emotional creatures, while all other animals aren't?

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