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With all the fuss about vaccines, I wanted to know where to buy chemicals.  But like they have learned ''the hard way'' in Brazil, not so simple:

https://www.bing.com/search?q=where+to+buy+chemicals+if+you+want+to+make+vaccine 

EXPLAINER: Why it's hard to make vaccines and boost supplies
https://apnews.com/article/why-its-hard-to-make-vaccines-explained.
2021-01-28 · Two Brazilian research institutes plan to make millions of doses of the AstraZeneca and Sinovac vaccines but have been set back by unexplained delays in shipments of key ingredients from China. And Bottazzi said the world simultaneously has to keep up production of vaccines against polio, measles, meningitis and other diseases that still threaten even in the midst of the pandemic.

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One thing is clear though from what's happened in Brazil: It's a  contagious disease. To make a short story long:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/25/world/americas/coronavirus-brazil-amazon.html

the virus is taking an exceptionally high toll on the Amazon region and the people who have depended on its abundance for generations.

In Brazil, the six cities with the highest coronavirus exposure are all on the Amazon River, according to an expansive new study from Brazilian researchers that measured antibodies in the population.

The epidemic has spread so quickly and thoroughly along the river that in remote fishing and farming communities like Tefé, people have been as likely to get the virus as in New York City, home to one of the world’s worst outbreaks.

“It was all very fast,” said Isabel Delgado, 34, whose father, Felicindo, died of the virus shortly after falling ill in the small city of Coari. He had been born on the river, raised his family by it and built his life crafting furniture from the timber on its banks.

In the past four months, as the epidemic traveled from the biggest city in the Brazilian Amazon, Manaus, with its high-rises and factories, to tiny, seemingly isolated villages deep in the interior, the fragile health care system has buckled under the onslaught.

Cities and towns along the river have some of the highest deaths per capita in the country — often several times the national average. In Manaus, there were periods when every Covid ward was full and 100 people were dying a day, pushing the city to cut new burial grounds out of thick forest. Grave diggers lay rows of coffins in long trenches carved in the freshly turned earth.

Down the river, hammocks have become stretchers, carrying the sick from communities with no doctors to boat ambulances that careen through the water. In remote reaches of the river basin, medevac planes land in tiny airstrips sliced into the lush landscape only to find that their patients died while waiting for help.

The virus is exacting an especially high toll on Indigenous people, a parallel to the past. Since the 1500s, waves of explorers have traveled the river, seeking gold, land and converts — and later, rubber, a resource that helped fuel the Industrial Revolution, changing the world. But with them, these outsiders brought violence and diseases like smallpox and measles, killing millions and wiping out entire communities.

“This is a place that has generated so much wealth for others,” said Charles C. Mann, a journalist who has written extensively on the history of the Americas, “and look at what’s happening to it.”

Indigenous people have been roughly six times as likely to be infected with the coronavirus as white people, according to the Brazilian study, and are dying in far-flung river villages untouched by electricity.

 

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smart_lol_kid wrote:

Stay home be safe

Very true. People have not understood yet or they cannot stand the strict control measures any longer, IDk. I'm not pretending I know everything myself ; like Carl Fontana was saying: ''If I only had a Brain ''

 

But it has been hypothesized  since the middle ages what's the cause of pandemics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease

When the Black Death bubonic plague reached Al-Andalus in the 14th century, the Arab physicians Ibn Khatima (c. 1369) and Ibn al-Khatib (1313–1374) hypothesised that infectious diseases were caused by "minute bodies"

 

That's why it's baffling in Canada to see the police in Saskatoon  protecting maskless protesters (clib above). And in Alberta this weekend people are participting in rodeos. All that while the situation is getting worse:

COVID's third wave is younger and sicker. Here's everything we know about why (msn.com)

Canada’s COVID face is changing — for reasons that still aren’t entirely clear.

 

COVID wards are filling with young and middle-aged adults. Nearly as many under-50s died from COVID-19 in Ontario intensive care units in the first 48 days of this now cresting third wave as in the entire September to February wave. Harrowing numbers of pregnant women are landing in intensive care. By mid-April, half of those in Mount Sinai Hospital’s ICU were pregnant or had recently given birth. At the Toronto General Hospital on Wednesday, a record 28 people were connected to artificial lungs “and still younger than the first two waves,” reported Dr. Eddy Fan, medical director of the Extracorporeal Life Support Program at Toronto’s University Health Network. Other doctors are reporting multiple people born in the 1990s.

In London, Ont., 31-year-old Alex Kopacz, a gold-medal Olympic brakeman in men’s bobsled, spent four days in hospital with COVID after a business trip to Calgary. He doesn’t know his ground zero — Calgary or Toronto’s Pearson Airport. But “this whole thing has been a terrible experience, period. In the hospital, awful. I said goodbye to many people,” he said in an interview with the National Post on Thursday. “I’m very grateful I’m alive, I’m grateful I can breathe.” He’s home now, but his spirits are worn. He’s developed a blood clot in his leg and a pain in his back that he thinks is from all the coughing, and he’s wondering, “What other little surprises am I going to get from all of this?”

In addition to sidelining strong athletes, this wave isn’t like classic COVID in other ways. Usually what gets a person into an ICU is severe COVID pneumonia leading to serious respiratory distress. In the first wave, it took 10 to 14 days after symptoms started to reach that point, a week or so of feeling unwell, of “grumbling along,” mostly staying at home, until people became short of breath and ended up in emergency or straight to the ICU, said Dr. Paul Warshawsky. Now, “it’s becoming more in the neighbourhood of five to seven days,” said the chief of the division of adult critical care medicine at Montreal’s Jewish General Hospital.

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You can't tell some people that Olympic athletes in their 30s go to the hospital from Covid-19 wink.png...they won't believe it.

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Lots of unbelievable things happening in Cuba, maybe even  Olympic athletes  themselves wouldn't  believe it:  

From <https://theconversation.com/the-scene-from-cuba-how-its-getting-so-much-right-on-covid-19-155699>;;

Cuba is the only Latin American country with the capacity to manufacture a vaccine domestically other than Brazil, which is not doing so. Cuba aims to protect its populace, then give away or sell its vaccines abroad.


Beyond Cuba’s borders, its medical diplomacy took over. Cuba’s Henry Reeve Medical Brigade has been fighting the pandemic in at least 37 countries and has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. 


Care in Cuba is universal, research and training is robust and disease and disaster mitigation is well-organized. The public health-care system is co-ordinated across research institutes and centres of disease control, through to dispersed local neighbourhood clinics.

 

Cuba also has a near 100 per cent literacy rate, with much attention paid to science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM) education.


Cuba’s achievements are the result of hard work and hard science in a not-for-profit system. The populace’s confidence has been earned through science-based campaigns against the likes of HIV, Ebola, dengue fever and the Zika virus.


Nations that have responded well to the pandemic have communicated clearly and factually with their people. Cuba has a tradition of multi-pronged public-service messaging.

And a bonus one: 

https://todaycuba.com/2021/01/21/cuba-intends-to-have-its-vaccine-against-covid-19-ready-in-2021/

Cuban scientists are working on four vaccines. That's 4!

Comparison between how the American people beat the Asian flu in the Eisenhower era and how it's behaving right now about Covid-19.  Hard to believe  :

From <https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/how-ikes-1950s-america-beat-the-asian-flu-with-science-common-sense/>;;

We are fortunate indeed that the spirit of the vaccine king Maurice Hilleman has lived on at Moderna and Pfizer, because much else of the spirit of 1957 would appear to have vanished.


“To be young was very heaven” in 1957—even with a serious risk of infectious disease (and not just flu; there was also polio and much else). By contrast, to be young in 2020 was—for most American teenagers—rather hellish. Stuck indoors, struggling to concentrate on “distance learning” with irritable parents working from home in the next room, young people experienced at best frustration and at worst mental illness.

We have done a great deal over the past year (not all of it effective) to protect the groups most vulnerable to Covid-19, which has overwhelmingly meant the elderly: 80.4% of U.S. Covid deaths, according to the CDC, have been among people 65 and older, compared with 0.2% among those under 25.

But the economic and social costs, in terms of lost education and employment, have been disproportionately shouldered by the young.

 

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power_9_the_people wrote:

Many companies are betting huge on Covid-19 

https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/04/07/here-are-all-the-companies-working-on-covid-19-vac.aspx

Even Bayer now  saying Aspirin has antiviral properties

 

And chocolate companies 

https://www.ottawalife.com/article/14-foods-with-immune-boosting-and-antiviral-properties?c=39

Chocolate

Unfortunately, not all chocolate is equally healthy. 

The first two "patent medicines" were developed by the Bayer Company.  They were Bayer Aspirin and Bayer Heroin.

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Just remembered this thread existed, and wow, COVID has really taken over the world hasn’t it. I honestly feel a bit bad, cuz while I’m chilling in my room and listening to lo-fi and working, the world may as well just burn at this point. Maybe 2021 or 2022 will be the year where we over come this virus? Time will tell. Also it’s seems people have actually goddamn smartened up a bit, as I wished in my previous Ted talk. Now all we need is like a global effort to stop COVID. Sadly, I doubt China will partake in the stoppage of COVID :T. It’s not like I hate China, it’s just, I dunno, I don’t really trust they will help. I said that cuz I wanted to avoid politics and been banned from this forum T-T. Anyways, the COVID vacs have a bit of potential, but the risk of blood clots may put people off. I dunno, what are your thought’s on this people? May we all stay safe. One last thing, I don’t this COVID is really doing too bad stuff in Brisbane. Life has pretty much returned to normal here, just a little bit more sanitation and dirty looks if you cough. That’s it, and thank you for coming to my second Ted Talk.
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  Lets start posting some good news for a change. happy.pnghttps://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/once-hub-covid-italian-village-now-intrigues-researchers-super-immune-n1265833                                    

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Good news  of the day : At time of Spanish flu , in Venezuela 🇻🇪,  Dr of the poor took care of the poor. https://www.thecatholictelegraph.com/pope-francis-praises-venezuelas-doctor-of-the-poor-ahead-of-beatification/74610

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But look at Venezuela now, versus 100 years ago.  It has become the basket case of South America.

The pre-Spanish natives knew about and used asphalt and tar which seeped to the surface of the Orinoco Tar Belt.  The first commercial oil wells were drilled over 100 years ago. Venezuela has huge petroleum reserves, but a corrupt "government" (dictatorship).

Back in the late-1800s, the petroleum fumes at Summerland, near Santa Barbara, were considered healthful and used to treat "consumption" (tuberculosis)

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I think Venezuela will give some Cuban vaccines a try. They don't want Astra-Zeneca that Covax has for them. Concerning Heroin , it was prescribed for cough.  And funny thing  it was considered harmless and non-addictive. And It was not only  Bayer.

https://www.thunderbaymuseum.com/objects-of-interest/heroin-bottle/

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reeeeeyayaya wrote:
Just remembered this thread existed, and wow, COVID has really taken over the world hasn’t it. I honestly feel a bit bad, cuz while I’m chilling in my room and listening to lo-fi and working, the world may as well just burn at this point. Maybe 2021 or 2022 will be the year where we over come this virus? Time will tell. Also it’s seems people have actually goddamn smartened up a bit, as I wished in my previous Ted talk. Now all we need is like a global effort to stop COVID. Sadly, I doubt China will partake in the stoppage of COVID :T. It’s not like I hate China, it’s just, I dunno, I don’t really trust they will help. I said that cuz I wanted to avoid politics and been banned from this forum T-T. Anyways, the COVID vacs have a bit of potential, but the risk of blood clots may put people off. I dunno, what are your thought’s on this people? May we all stay safe. One last thing, I don’t this COVID is really doing too bad stuff in Brisbane. Life has pretty much returned to normal here, just a little bit more sanitation and dirty looks if you cough. That’s it, and thank you for coming to my second Ted Talk.

It's 1 in a million to have a blood clot issue.  The odds of dying if on average if you get Covid are about 3 in a 100 [and even if you are in a lower risk group you still (a) have a chance to die, and (b) have a larger chance of permanent damage to lungs, cardiovascular system, or even brain].

The math is pretty simple wink.png.

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True Btick, I didnt really think of that lol. Still, it can happen, even if very rare.
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Also, I’ve been having a lot of headaches recently, and my throat hurts a bit, and I can’t swallow without a bit of pain. I doubt it’s COVID, but what do you guys think? I’ve drank a lot of water and had chicken soup. Is there anything else I should do to at least numb the pain or something? I’ve had some Panadol too.
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I’m sorry, but what? I haven’t done anything bad recently?
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reeeeeyayaya wrote:
I’m sorry, but what? I haven’t done anything bad recently?

Very true 👍 BTW, awesome avi pic!

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Thx man
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Come on, don’t let this thread die! We need to this thread to live on! It provides useful info and various opinions!
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reeeeeyayaya wrote:
Come on, don’t let this thread die! We need to this thread to live on! It provides useful info and various opinions!

Ok then, more good news:  Variants are no match for tweaked vaccines 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/05/tweaked-moderna-vaccine-neutralises-covid-variants-in-trials?

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I had two shots a couple months ago and did have a little problem with diarrhea a week or so after each shot. I feel liberated now whether I am or not.

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