I have never seen so many people willing to risk death just to prove a point.
"Its the principle!!!"
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New variant mutates twice as fast as the current rate of mutations for the others. Evades antibodies generated by Beta and Delta . And extremely contagious
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/arkansas-school-quarantine-mask-covid-19/
With a ban on mask mandates in public schools , what is going wrong? In a state where only 9% of children under 18 are fully vaccinated?
How the Delta Variant Infiltrated an Elementary School Classroom https://nyti.ms/3sVn0DC
Sometimes a teacher unmasked against mandate causes multiple infections
The perils of having rogue antibodies and being old
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02337-5?
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-fake-maderna-vaccine-card-sees-woman-facing-a-year-in-prison-and-5-000-fine-in-hawaii-11630509244?siteid=yhoof2
Surreal. If you are going to be an a-hole and fake a vaccine ID card, make sure you know how to spell...
Americans could enter Canada starting on August 9th 2021 with proof of having been vaccinated. Real proof instead of fake proof is better though because there is a fine of almost 20,000 Canadian dollars.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58063647
How the Delta Variant Infiltrated an Elementary School Classroom https://nyti.ms/3sVn0DC
If the teacher has no mask, move to the back of the class
how about sinofarm, sputnik, and so on? any numbers on those yet?
Bercher wrote:
how about sinofarm, sputnik, and so on? any numbers on those yet?
Not from the CDC. Russia has published some numbers, but some are skeptical about them.
Yet another media misinformation source gets Covid-19:
https://news.yahoo.com/podcast-host-joe-rogan-tests-224705627.html
Joe took some horse tranquilizers and got back well quick. But the FDA says: " just stop it , unless you're a horse. Or a cow."
For all the freethinkers out there, don't forget to take your supplements
Sep 3, 2021
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Nothing wrong with being a "free thinker". And as horrible as the media is? People get what they deserve if they choose not to think for themselves and blindly believe what their favorite media outlet tells them to believe.
Good news from Israël: the reproduction number for those who are vaccinated is low compared to the reproduction number for those who are unvaccinated. Hope at least the freethinkers appreciate the fact.
https://twitter.com/dvir_a/status/1420059131185094663?t=GTZQLBO5b3VPt8nXn1AHRA&s=19
So the anti-vaxxers seem to have finally found a solution that will benefit us all in the long run:
Sep 5, 2021
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btickler wrote:
So the anti-vaxxers seem to have finally found a solution that will benefit us all in the long run:
I agree that it's important to get vaccinated. But I don't see the advantage to malicious sniping, like joking that it would be better if they couldn't procreate. Many of them are simply misguided, misinformed or not very intelligent at least in certain areas (not something anyone can help), rather than being monsters. You can say they're putting lives at risk, which is true, but many of them don't know that. They're just misguided rather than bad people.
I personally know several anti-vaxxers. All nice people, and all apart from one are left wing, new agey types incidentally. Condemning people only entrenches them in their position anyway and can actually make them more extreme.
fissionfowl wrote:
btickler wrote:
So the anti-vaxxers seem to have finally found a solution that will benefit us all in the long run:
I agree that it's important to get vaccinated. But I don't see the advantage to malicious sniping, like joking that it would be better if they couldn't procreate. Many of them are simply misguided, misinformed or not very intelligent at least in certain areas (not something anyone can help), rather than being monsters. You can say they're putting lives at risk, which is true, but many of them don't know that. They're just misguided rather than bad people.
I personally know several anti-vaxxers. All nice people, and all apart from one are left wing, new agey types incidentally. Condemning people only entrenches them in their position anyway and can actually make them more extreme.
Maybe if you had written this 150 pages ago, or before the people who are still anti-vaxxers had 650,000+ deaths (I'll stick with the US, for now) to consider in their arguments, I might be on your side. We're long past that, though. Any "misguided" ignorance at this point is entirely willful, and deserves to be treated as such.
Coddling or condemning them has proven equally ineffective. Some people want to be right at the cost of other people's lives and wellbeing. *That* is malice. Pointing out the irony of taking ivermectin pales to insignificance next to it. So I disagree...they are bad people. They became bad people the moment they crossed the line from not knowing to not wanting to know.
Sep 5, 2021
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btickler wrote:
fissionfowl wrote:
btickler wrote:
So the anti-vaxxers seem to have finally found a solution that will benefit us all in the long run:
I agree that it's important to get vaccinated. But I don't see the advantage to malicious sniping, like joking that it would be better if they couldn't procreate. Many of them are simply misguided, misinformed or not very intelligent at least in certain areas (not something anyone can help), rather than being monsters. You can say they're putting lives at risk, which is true, but many of them don't know that. They're just misguided rather than bad people.
I personally know several anti-vaxxers. All nice people, and all apart from one are left wing, new agey types incidentally. Condemning people only entrenches them in their position anyway and can actually make them more extreme.
Maybe if you had written this 150 pages ago, or before the people who are still anti-vaxxers had 650,000+ deaths (I'll stick with the US, for now) to consider in their arguments, I might be on your side. We're long past that, though. Any "misguided" ignorance at this point is entirely willful, and deserves to be treated as such.
I disagree that it's willful. I'll take an example of flat earthers. It would seem like the evidence is so overwhelming that they must be intentionally keeping themselves ignorant. But they genuinely believe that they have done their research and that there's a conspiracy. People often believe crazy things not because they're evil.
Coddling or condemning them has proven equally ineffective. It's not about coddling. Just treating people with decency. Isn't the 'to hell with people who disagree with me' a big problem with the world? Some people want to be right at the cost of other people's lives and wellbeing. The point is that many don't know that it's at the cost of other's welbeing. *That* is malice. Pointing out the irony of taking ivermectin pales to insignificance next to it. So I disagree...they are bad people. They became bad people the moment they crossed the line from not knowing to not wanting to know.
Some new data from the CDC: