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fissionfowl wrote:
btickler wrote:
fissionfowl wrote:
btickler wrote:
So the anti-vaxxers seem to have finally found a solution that will benefit us all in the long run:
I agree that it's important to get vaccinated. But I don't see the advantage to malicious sniping, like joking that it would be better if they couldn't procreate. Many of them are simply misguided, misinformed or not very intelligent at least in certain areas (not something anyone can help), rather than being monsters. You can say they're putting lives at risk, which is true, but many of them don't know that. They're just misguided rather than bad people.
I personally know several anti-vaxxers. All nice people, and all apart from one are left wing, new agey types incidentally. Condemning people only entrenches them in their position anyway and can actually make them more extreme.
Maybe if you had written this 150 pages ago, or before the people who are still anti-vaxxers had 650,000+ deaths (I'll stick with the US, for now) to consider in their arguments, I might be on your side. We're long past that, though. Any "misguided" ignorance at this point is entirely willful, and deserves to be treated as such.
I disagree that it's willful. I'll take an example of flat earthers. It would seem like the evidence is so overwhelming that they must be intentionally keeping themselves ignorant. But they genuinely believe that they have done their research and that there's a conspiracy. People often believe crazy things not because they're evil.
Coddling or condemning them has proven equally ineffective. It's not about coddling. Just treating people with decency. Isn't the 'to hell with people who disagree with me' a big problem with the world? Some people want to be right at the cost of other people's lives and wellbeing. The point is that many don't know that it's at the cost of other's welbeing. *That* is malice. Pointing out the irony of taking ivermectin pales to insignificance next to it. So I disagree...they are bad people. They became bad people the moment they crossed the line from not knowing to not wanting to know.
They do know on some level, that's part of the willful ignorance. When you are surrounded by people telling you to look at something and you keep pointedly looking the other way, that's borne of selfishness. It goes beyond simple partisan politics in this case, because there are plenty of leaders on both sides calling for Covid-19 measures to be followed. There's just a raftload of people now who will oppose anything that gets labeled a certain way.
I'd like your take on the man that took his own kids to Mexico and killed them with speargun because he believed a Q-Anon conspiracy theory...was he "just misguided"? Or is killing your own children because somebody you have never even seen or talked to face to face told you to watch out for "lizard people", without even bothering to consider that the info was bogus, an unpardonably selfish act of murder?
Because the anti-vaxxers are just like this...it's only a matter of degree. These people are fully capable, and ergo culpable, adults.
Sep 5, 2021
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I think we all know people from "different walks of life". We know those that think the virus is real. We know those that think its made up. We know those that think its the govt. trying to control us. We know those that strictly watch one news outlet and believe whatever they are told.
I think its safe to say that these things have always existed. What i think we have lost is the ability to think for ourselves. As I have posted before. When i wasn't vaccinated those like minded people were ok with it, and those that were for being vaccinated thought something was wrong with me. Once I made the decision to get vaccinated. Both sides flipped how they felt about me and my decision. We have all remained friends, but you can tell that many on both sides changed regarding my decision.
In a sense, if the anti-vaxxers had better propaganda on their end, I would be more forgiving...but when people post crap from bloggers, Facebook, etc. that has *no credible sources*, no scientific evidence, no direct information *at all*, just straight hearsay and conjecture right down the line...and then show themselves over and over again to be incapable of even seeing the distinction between a well sourced article vs. straight BS coming from hucksters and crackpots...
It's not even that hard. Does the article you're reading link to the studies it cites? Does it provide direct quotes, or does it stick itself in a middleman role and paraphrase and interpret for what was actually said? Does the info come from a source with applicable expertise, or just somebody with an agenda to push? Read with your critical thinking engaged.
Many people don't seem to know how to discern the simplest things or reach the most elementary conclusions anymore. I could point to many on the forums 
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btickler,...your 1st paragraph in post 3134 occurred long before Trump. The whole dumbing down of America. People who enjoyed Beevis & Butthead.....The Simpsons.....Duck Dynasty, and others. 
RonaldJosephCote wrote:
btickler,...your 1st paragraph in post 3134 occurred long before Trump. The whole dumbing down of America. People who enjoyed Beevis & Butthead.....The Simpsons.....Duck Dynasty, and others.
Ironically, Mike Judge who did Beavis and Butthead also wrote Idiocracy, predicting the future with great accuracy , then poking fun at it.
"But Ivermectin has electrolytes..."
But back then a bunch of people starting thinking Beavis and Butthead were cool and using their jargon and quoting them...when the two of them are complete idiots that nobody should emulate, ever. I'm sure Mike Judge was happy for the money, sad for the commentary on humanity.
Wolfbird wrote:
I noticed that Polio is missing from that list.
Yes that is weird...maybe it was meant to show the "legacy" of the Polio vaccine...
Speaking of vaccines, I would like to promote this site:
You can use this site to find Covid-19 vaccination centers in your zip code.
Here's a more complete list of vaccines from the CDC. Both of those reference links are also on the first page of thread.
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/leader-of-anti-vaxxer-community-dies-of-covid-19-679339
C9nt8nuing my series on Israël... Yes, You read it well 😇
Tomorrow we'll be passing 230 million cases worldwide. US is at 43 million cases.
Sep 20, 2021
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The Covid death toll in America has surpassed that of the 1918 flu pandemic of 675,000 deaths. Good job America.
There's nowhere left for Covid to go says Oxford vaccine Dr..... https://www.yahoo.com/news/nowhere-left-covid-mutate-deadly-175101965.html
Americans are clueless, (and thoroughly uninterested) in the fact that most middle-income and lower income countries are depedent on vaccines from (mostly) OECD-based countries and their respective pharmacutical industries. So the virus variants are (essentially) given a free hand to continue to mutate around the globe. On (almost) a weekly Dr. Fauci is interviewed on Meet the Press. Why are some many NOT listening to Fauci ?? Very Sad.
RonaldJosephCote wrote:
There's nowhere left for Covid to go says Oxford vaccine Dr..... https://www.yahoo.com/news/nowhere-left-covid-mutate-deadly-175101965.html
But you have to read into the second half of this WEIRD and seemingly contradictory article until you come across this section --
“If we don’t vaccinate people and there is uncontrolled transmission and infection, then that is the right training ground for the virus to really emerge. That is a real variant of concern,” she added."
And that quote comes after 2 pages of text which appears to argue virtually the opposite of the quote above. WTF is up that crazy-arse article on Yahoo News posted by RJCote ??
https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-path-covid-endgame-remains-232022995.html