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playerafar wrote:
Its getting extra-ridiculous when one is talking about 'nurses' rights to not be vaccinated'.
Nobody is forcing them to be nurses. Quit anytime.
Analogy: Fighter pilot in the military:
"I refuse to fly with my guns loaded and air to air rockets on my wings !"
Reply: "Then what are you doing here ??!!
You're out of the Air Force.
Do you need help finding the exit ?
Want your severance pay? Turn in your wings at the desk.
And please - don't even think about trying to come back. You're done.
Dishonorable Discharge too."
(If it was wartime there would be a Court Martial too. Prison time.)
They don’t want to quit, they’re being forced to
...that makes sense.....same as the military...
Mar 16, 2022
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#3447
"They don’t want to quit, they’re being forced to"
Its a fight. The virus has DNA. It has an 'agenda'.
Those who want to put science in a box - may refuse to understand ...
A nurse not wanting to wear a mask/get vaxx is like a fighter pilot not wanting to carry bullets and rockets on his aircraft.
It means he doesn't want to fight. Means he doesn't belong.
Authorities act for much much less.
Consider drivers who don't want to fasten their seat belts.
If they don't care about their own safety - then they don't belong on the road with people who do.
And the police can bust them for it. Sometimes they do and rightly so.
But most drivers buckle up. They know if the car flips and their weight is coming down on their head ...that that's that.
Or if there's a 'fight' between your skull and the windshield - the windshield can win.
Try doing your driving test without your seat belt buckled.
Try unbuckling during the test. See if you pass. 
XxP1NKxX wrote:
They don’t want to quit, they’re being forced to
If they cannot perform the job as required, then they need to transfer to another position internally, or leave. It's not that complicated.
Next you will try to tell us that if insurance companies want to start dropping unvaccinated clients, or refusing to pay for Covid-related charges for unvaccinated people, that they are violating people's civil rights 
...
playerafar wrote:
Somebody's immune system is stimulated to beat the virus -
killing it in their body. Instead of it lingering on and maybe killing the subject or making him/her very sick - or just spreading the virus to others while whoever shows little or no symptoms. (Happens)
Saying something 'doesn't prevent transmission' is like saying 'masks don't work' or 'It rained last week in Australia so therefore I'm right'.
Again, if you are vaccinated, you CAN catch COVID, you CAN have it lingering on your body, you can transmit it to your subject. In fact, the 'showing no symptoms' is a typical case that can happen in case you're vaccinated and the vaccine reduced the symptoms, so you won't know you have COVID following your logic. But again nurses would probably get tested regularly.
btickler wrote:
XxP1NKxX wrote:
They don’t want to quit, they’re being forced to
If they cannot perform the job as required, then they need to transfer to another position internally, or leave. It's not that complicated.
Next you will try to tell us that if insurance companies want to start dropping unvaccinated clients, or refusing to pay for Covid-related charges for unvaccinated people, that they are violating people's civil rights ...
Vaccines aren't a required skill to perform the job, nor is it a cost/wage to pay, nor does it really make much of a difference in regards to the state of the person outside of individual protection of a dangerous case/death from COVID.
playerafar wrote:
"They don’t want to quit, they’re being forced to"
Its a fight. The virus has DNA. It has an 'agenda'.
Those who want to put science in a box - may refuse to understand ...
A nurse not wanting to wear a mask/get vaxx is like a fighter pilot not wanting to carry bullets and rockets on his aircraft.
It means he doesn't want to fight. Means he doesn't belong.
Authorities act for much much less.
Consider drivers who don't want to fasten their seat belts.
If they don't care about their own safety - then they don't belong on the road with people who do.
And the police can bust them for it. Sometimes they do and rightly so.
But most drivers buckle up. They know if the car flips and their weight is coming down on their head ...that that's that.
Or if there's a 'fight' between your skull and the windshield - the windshield can win.
Try doing your driving test without your seat belt buckled.
Try unbuckling during the test. See if you pass.
Look, while the risks of side-effects of the vaccine are rare, they are present, and it's a new vaccine, therefore we don't know as of yet if all the side-effect cases are disclosed or not, or if there are any dangerous long-term side-effects. Nurses who refuse to get the vaccine DO CARE about their own safety, they just take it from a different point of view. As long as it doesn't really affect their patients/subjects why on earth would such people not be allowed to perform the job they specialize in?!
Okay, to get out of the hot debates about vaccines and such moods, I found a really interesting website that shows deaths from diseases in several countries in Europe, what particularily interests me in it is excess in mortality:
EuroMOMO is a European mortality monitoring activity, aiming to detect and measure excess deaths related to seasonal influenza, pandemics and other public health threats.
Official national mortality statistics are provided weekly from the 29 European countries or subnational regions in the EuroMOMO collaborative network, supported by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) and the World Health Organization (WHO), and hosted by Statens Serum Institut, Denmark.
Mar 16, 2022
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#3453
chamo2074 a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
chamo2074 a écrit :
I am not disagreeing, but you're not going to contract the virus if you follow the guidelines, wear a mask, respect social distancing and wash your hands.
Yes you can if someone very close to you or your kids etc give it to you...most people got it right now in my province of 8.5 millions.
Okay there are some questions I think we need to think about here:
1) How many people in this province are vaccinated?
2) Are unvaccinated people in this province making a lot of contact with vaccinated people?.
3) Are the guidelines being respected? (Mask, distancing etc...)
4) What number does most refer to?
1) at least 92% are vaccinated and the hospitalized peoples that are not vaccinated are 2/3 of all the covid 19 serious cases.
3) of course you always have at least 10% that do not respect the guidelines.
Mar 16, 2022
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#3454
XxP1NKxX a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
chamo2074 a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
chamo2074 a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
chamo2074 a écrit :
Luckily I had made my research earlier on dangerous COVID vaccine side effects, they include:
Death, Involvement of the vital prognosis, hospitalization, a severe condition that will interfere with your daily life for several weeks or several months.
I thought any politics-related posts were not allowed? So can we please stop bringing up Putin?
It is true that people should make sure they're safe from vaccination, but you can't really know for sure if you are going to get hit with side-effects. Some people in great health might have experienced side-effects which is why authorities just cannot apply vaccine mandates, everyone should be free of choosing.
You should never cross the road or drive your car because it's not safe 100%.
See I agree with you 100% p
Don't people have the choice to chose whether they want to cross the road or not?
In America everyone has the choice to get a vaccine or not! If you think you are at risk to get a vaccine just go see your doctor he will help you decide if it is safe for you to get vaccinated.
If you have a good reason not to get any vaccine you will not loose any job....if it's just your ideology well it's your choice to take a bad decision and you are still free,no one force you to take the bad decision.
First this is in France and not in the USA or Canada.
Second it say no one can be fired if they do not have the pass even if it's required by the job you have.
Licenciement pour refus de vaccination obligatoire, est-ce possible ?✅ Non, un employeur ne peut pas licencier un salarié qui refuse de se faire vacciner, même s'il fait partie d'une profession soumise à l'obligation vaccinale.
Third there is the justification for some peoples to have a pass or to lose their contracts and it's common sense to be remove from those jobs because of the risk of spreading the virus:
Cette obligation pour les salariés s'applique lorsque la gravité des risques de contamination, en lien avec l'exercice des activités qui y sont pratiquées, le justifie au regard notamment de la densité de population observée ou prévue.
And there are exceptions like if you show a negative PCR test.
That is an inaccurate, I know nurses that were literally told they couldn’t work because they didn’t get vaccinated
Well in my province they never had a law or a policies to do that because they said very clearly that they couldn't afford to lose +10% of our nurses!
So it was never implemented for the nurses that were not vaccinated.
All the nurses in my province have unions to protect them.
They could have been move them from their current job to protect the "clients".
Mar 16, 2022
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#3455
playerafar a écrit :
Its getting extra-ridiculous when one is talking about 'nurses' rights to not be vaccinated'.
Nobody is forcing them to be nurses. Quit anytime.
Analogy: Fighter pilot in the military:
"I refuse to fly with my guns loaded and air to air rockets on my wings !"
Reply: "Then what are you doing here ??!!
You're out of the Air Force.
Do you need help finding the exit ?
Want your severance pay? Turn in your wings at the desk.
And please - don't even think about trying to come back. You're done.
Dishonorable Discharge too."
(If it was wartime there would be a Court Martial too. Prison time.)
In my province that had a law or policies to fired ANY nurses that was not vaccinated! It was discussed at length for months....and anyone who is informed know about this decision in my country.
@Marie-AnneLiz that's great to hear (I don't know about other people but for me)
As for the covid cases in your province, since 92% are vaccinated, therefore only 8% left unvaccinated, with that 8% being 2/3 of the serious cases, I assume there aren't many serious cases?
Mar 16, 2022
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#3457
chamo2074 a écrit :
@Marie-AnneLiz that's great to hear (I don't know about other people but for me)
As for the covid cases in your province, since 92% are vaccinated, therefore only 8% left unvaccinated, with that 8% being 2/3 of the serious cases, I assume there aren't many serious cases?
8% with no vaccine at all = 680 000 peoples and i only talk about the serious cases taht cost a lot and that take the place of the one that need surgery for cancer etc etc..
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
chamo2074 a écrit :
@Marie-AnneLiz that's great to hear (I don't know about other people but for me)
As for the covid cases in your province, since 92% are vaccinated, therefore only 8% left unvaccinated, with that 8% being 2/3 of the serious cases, I assume there aren't many serious cases?
8% with no vaccine at all = 680 000 peoples and i only talk about the serious cases taht cost a lot and that take the place of the one that need surgery for cancer etc etc..
I see. And I assume these are mostly old people (like at least 40+)?
chamo2074 wrote:
btickler wrote:
XxP1NKxX wrote:
They don’t want to quit, they’re being forced to
If they cannot perform the job as required, then they need to transfer to another position internally, or leave. It's not that complicated.
Next you will try to tell us that if insurance companies want to start dropping unvaccinated clients, or refusing to pay for Covid-related charges for unvaccinated people, that they are violating people's civil rights ...
Vaccines aren't a required skill to perform the job, nor is it a cost/wage to pay, nor does it really make much of a difference in regards to the state of the person outside of individual protection of a dangerous case/death from COVID.
Vaccines are a requirement, like wearing scrubs, gloves, and masks. Like carrying your ID badge. Like having a nursing credential. Like washing your hands after each patient seen. Etc. Whether you think it makes a difference doesn't matter one iota.
Mar 16, 2022
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#3460
chamo2074 a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
chamo2074 a écrit :
@Marie-AnneLiz that's great to hear (I don't know about other people but for me)
As for the covid cases in your province, since 92% are vaccinated, therefore only 8% left unvaccinated, with that 8% being 2/3 of the serious cases, I assume there aren't many serious cases?
8% with no vaccine at all = 680 000 peoples and i only talk about the serious cases taht cost a lot and that take the place of the one that need surgery for cancer etc etc..
I see. And I assume these are mostly old people (like at least 40+)?
Mostly but not all....
Also accounting for age, data from Quebec demonstrates that those who are unvaccinated have 5.9 times the risk of COVID-19-related hospitalization and 10 times the risk of ICU admission compared to those who are vaccinated against the virus with two doses.
“When you adjust for population size and when you adjust for age…it becomes pretty clear that the risk of you being hospitalized is much higher if you are unvaccinated,”
the province scrapped its plans to impose mandatory vaccination, the ministry of health said.
Regular screening of health workers was introduced a month ago in a diversion from earlier plans to impose a Quebec-wide vaccine mandate for all health-care workers. Minister Christian Dubé backtracked after admitting the effect on the health-care system, through the loss of potentially thousands of workers amid an ongoing labour shortage, would be devastating to the health-care network.
Instead of doing that, existing workers were told they would have to undergo regular testing three times a week before their shifts, however, new hires would have to be vaccinated.
Somebody's immune system is stimulated to beat the virus -
killing it in their body. Instead of it lingering on and maybe killing the subject or making him/her very sick - or just spreading the virus to others while whoever shows little or no symptoms. (Happens)
Saying something 'doesn't prevent transmission' is like saying 'masks don't work' or 'It rained last week in Australia so therefore I'm right'.