Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

 Results showed that six months after receiving two doses of the COVID-19 vaccine, little protection remained against symptomatic illness from the Omicron variant. However, two doses of the vaccine still protected against hospital admission and death from Omicron, reducing the risk by 82 per cent.

The study also showed that three doses of the vaccine decreased the chances of developing symptomatic illness from Omicron by 61 per cent. A third dose of the COVID-19 vaccine also reduced the risk of hospitalization and death due to the Omicron variant by 95 per cent.

This reaffirms the importance of getting vaccinated, Muhajarine said, referring specifically to the added protection that comes with a third dose of the COVID-19 vaccine.

“These vaccines, particularly the booster dose, protect people really well against serious COVID,” he said, referring to cases where patients require hospital care or intensive care involving intubation or ventilation, as well as death from COVID-19.

By getting vaccinated, Conway said, this further reduces community transmission of the virus. The virus primarily circulates among unvaccinated people in an uncontrolled manner, he said. From there, it can spread to the small proportion of vaccinated individuals who are more susceptible to infection and hospitalization because of age, comorbid conditions, and pre-existing issues with the immune system, he said.

“The reason community-based transmission is staying so high is because the pool of unvaccinated individuals is also remaining stubbornly high,” said Conway. “If we reduce the number of unvaccinated individuals, we will reduce the ability of the virus to spread and we will reduce infections and hospitalizations.

“This is not a sign that vaccines don't work – it's a sign that we aren't yet vaccinating fast enough.”

I can't disagree with that ("it becomes pretty clear that the risk of you being hospitalized is much higher if you are unvaccinated,”) to be fair vaccines are saving many people's lives when it comes to this. All I'm trying to say is that vaccine passport systems/obligations should be abolished and that people who aren't really vulnerable from COVID shouldn't really get vaccinated:

If we see these graphs, the pool of 0-14 has never really crossed the red line (substantial increase)

15-44 years has but not by much, and is under it in many occasions. Crossing it mostly is because of how large the age group is, therefore we are getting uncomparable 40ish years old and 15-20-25 ish years old people, so if it was 15-30 I doubt it would have crossed it.

About transmission:

How can you think vaccines decrease the transmission of the virus after you look at this:

(All official data: latest update 10/1/2022)
Australia after their HUGE VACCINATION CAMPAIGN that made them reach about 44M vaccinated people, and in the 28-day period, they got 800 000 cases which is about 80% of their total cases!

Quote:
"Again, if you are vaccinated, you CAN catch COVID, you CAN have it lingering on your body, you can transmit it to your subject. "
Perhaps whoever will spam that many times.

That doesn't mean that getting vaccinated doesn't slow the spread of the disease.
Are there those who are entertaining the notion that if there was no vaccinations that the disease would spread less quickly?
This is not my logic.
Its the 'logic' of those who fail to realize that killing the virus in your body reduces its ability to spread.
This goes right over their head.  They think that the virus failing to multiply in the body because the vaxx-stimulated immune system is killing it - would spread from that person just as fast and just as intensely and for just as long ???
That is the gross crass Illogic that is pushing them in the direction they want to go.
And apparently - part of the Disinformation effort.
Instead of saying "If your immune system has killed the virus because it was stimulated by vaccination - then you're less likely to spread the disease"
they'll instead prefer to shout and scream "the vaccination won't stop you spreading the disease  !!"
It is the same kind of negligent behaviour as emphasizing vaccination as not providing '100% immunity'.
Their 'message':  "vaccinations won't make you 100% immune and you'll still spread the disease - so don't bother !  And they're not safe ! And 'masks don't work' so don't bother !"
Now maybe we'll again get 'I wear my mask !"
In other words we'll get those shrill tones from the 'you and me' person.

Folks - if you want to fight the disease - the pandemic - do your part to protect yourself - your family - your coworkers - your patients - your neighbours and friends ...  don't let screamers and disinformation people talk you out of vaccination and masks and other measures.  Protect your job too.  Show that you've got the adult courage and discipline to face a needle instead of having needle-phobia.  If you have allergies or infirmity or senior issues and you think you might be vaxx-vulnerable - then consult and consider carefully.  Perhaps your medical professional doesn't have instant access to stats on people who might be more vaccination-vulnerable.  Perhaps he'll try to push you into vaccination. Because he thinks that he has to.  Ethically.  Professionally.
That's his call. His end.
But then there's your end.
 And how you react to authority might depend on your personality. 
Or it might depend on how you do your own thinking.  A different thing.

There aren't a lot of allergist specialists.

Weigh your decisions.  Suggestion: Don't go by knee-jerk phobia people and people yelling syllogisms and their mantras and indoctrinations that misrepresent the situation. 
Its up to you - not them.

Go on then justify this with your basic logic teaching people with phDs what vaccines do to prevent the spread of the disease.

Is there an attempt here to argue that vaccination 'spreads the disease'?

Dr. Mercola has a degree?.  Maybe a PhD too?
Should we all kneel in worship to him and believe and do everything he says therefore?
Perhaps there'll now be a switch from 'you and me' tactics to 'credentialism' tactics.
With the plan of switching back to 'you and me' whenever possible.

Well the person who runs our health services in Alberta is crazy, so they did fire a bunch of nurses. But they were magically let back in after vaccine passport was no longer mandatory, because apparently being unvaccinated is only okay when Alberta health services says so

"Are there those who are entertaining the notion that if there was no vaccinations that the disease would spread less quickly?
This is not my logic.
Its the 'logic' of those who fail to realize that killing the virus in your body reduces its ability to spread.
This goes right over their head.  They think that the virus failing to multiply in the body because the vaxx-stimulated immune system is killing it - would spread from that person just as fast and just as intensely and for just as long ???
That is the gross crass Illogic that is pushing them in the direction they want to go."

Well, what you call 'your logic' is one that simply doesn't question anything and blindly believes everything that is being fed to us nowadays. Anti-body dependant enhancements have been mentioned by Didier Raoult who is one of the most capped doctors in France, specializing in infectious diseases, but analyzing data and noticing things such as the Australia data I sent earlier, and this:

He also says that data related to COVID 15 days after the vaccine shot is rarely shared.

Please let aside the fact that it is highly suspected that he's an attention-seeker and somebody who spreads disinformation because if you don't listen to him you'll never change your mind. When I watch him he doesn't really say anything illogical and shows official data, much more often than he talks about his own theories about ADE. 

Is there a way to disprove this saying by justifying the two graphs I just posted in a different way?

I’d say it doesn’t “spread the disease” but it doesn’t stop it from spreading either

Anti-body dependant enhancements could be a thing though, they've been seen with the dengue disease vaccines too.

For any francophones in here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x-eozrCCNM

Extract one illogical thing that he says out of this video and I'll remove the link.

Or if they don't 'spread the disease', they don't up to barely contribute in preventing its spread. The two graphs I posted once again clearly show that.

I googled your Mercola guy, I think there's a huge difference with Raoult:

Joseph Michael Mercola is an American alternative medicine proponent, osteopathic physician, and Internet business personality. He markets dietary supplements and medical devices.

Didier Raoult is a French physician and microbiologist specializing in infectious diseases.

"Well, what you call 'your logic' is one that simply doesn't question anything and blindly believes everything that is being fed to us nowadays."

Wrong.  I'm suggesting that if the vaxx-stimulated immune system has killed the virus in one's system (and also - is killing it)  then that reduces the ability of the virus to spread.
It appears that you haven't thought about it and would instead prefer to just personalize those who don't participate in the A or B syllogisms.
In other words - you are projecting.

Covid is such a serious subject.  Its easy to get drawn in.
The people who want attention by provocation - well Covid is like a feeding ground for them.
Like the 'viruses don't spread diseases' person active on the website.
No I won't name him here.
But now there seems to be a position that vaccinations 'spread' Covid.
I've been seeing that too.  For literally years on the website.

Would people have 'trouble' figuring out that a vaccinated person is less likely to spread a disease ?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/11/covid-19-vaccination-spread/

There's something called 'logical evidence'.
Its an important part of evidence.
But 'logical evidence' is something that operates within the person considering.  Can the presenter of whatever evidence - do his thinking for him - or do a Vulcan Mind Meld ?  No.

For example - Many maintain that the moon landings were faked.
They quote 'evidence'.  No I don't have a link.
And there's much 'evidence' to the contrary.
Should people print each link from each side on a piece of paper - give an additional sheet if it says 'peer review' and then physically weigh and compare the two piles of papers ? 
No.  But Moon landings would 'win' though but then whoever could say ...
"Insufficient evidence'.  Can't find 'moon landings faked' guilty without more preponderance."

What about logical evidence though?
What about thinking?
"Hey what would it mean if it was 'faked' ?  that would in turn mean ...  No!"
Anybody is supposed to think this ?:
'Well if the virus is killed off much sooner in a host because of vaccination - that doesn't reduce the likelihood of that person spreading the disease?'
How could that be ?

But the screamers can win - if they can be powerful enough.
A Swiss farmer could get people in the US southwest to believe his garbage can lid was a UFO.  
Maybe he could get people to believe an object can be in four places at the same time too.
The anti-vaxx Disinformation people are powerful for sure.
Especially in USA.  

First point of the link you posted:

"Studies show that people vaccinated against COVID-19 are likely to be less contagious than non-vaccinated people."

How does that apply in practice though? Again how do you justify the two graphs with your logic?

You need more than one vaccine and even two is not enough for many....so you need to have the % for three doses....