Covid-19 Discussion (moderated) - Chess Forums - Page 175

Marie-AnneLiz

Mar 16, 2022

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#3481

XxP1NKxX a écrit :

Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

XxP1NKxX a écrit :

Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

chamo2074 a écrit :

Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

chamo2074 a écrit :

Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

chamo2074 a écrit :

Luckily I had made my research earlier on dangerous COVID vaccine side effects, they include:

Death, Involvement of the vital prognosis, hospitalization, a severe condition that will interfere with your daily life for several weeks or several months.

I thought any politics-related posts were not allowed? So can we please stop bringing up Putin?

It is true that people should make sure they're safe from vaccination, but you can't really know for sure if you are going to get hit with side-effects. Some people in great health might have experienced side-effects which is why authorities just cannot apply vaccine mandates, everyone should be free of choosing.

You should never cross the road or drive your car because it's not safe 100%.

See I agree with you 100% p

Don't people have the choice to chose whether they want to cross the road or not?

In America everyone has the choice to get a vaccine or not! If you think you are at risk to get a vaccine just go see your doctor he will help you decide if it is safe for you to get vaccinated.

If you have a good reason not to get any vaccine you will not loose any job....if it's just your ideology well it's your choice to take a bad decision and you are still free,no one force you to take the bad decision.

https://www.juritravail.com/Actualite/licenciement-pour-non-vaccination-ou-absence-de-pass-vaccinal-tout-savoir/Id/364824#comment-suspendre-contrat-salari-qui-a-pas-pass-vaccinal

First this is in France and not in the USA or Canada.

Second it say no one can be fired if they do not have the pass even if it's required by the job you have.

Licenciement pour refus de vaccination obligatoire, est-ce possible ?

✅ Non, un employeur ne peut pas licencier un salarié qui refuse de se faire vacciner, même s'il fait partie d'une profession soumise à l'obligation vaccinale.

Third there is the justification for some peoples to have a pass or to lose their contracts and it's common sense to be remove from those jobs because of the risk of spreading the virus:

Cette obligation pour les salariés s'applique lorsque la gravité des risques de contamination, en lien avec l'exercice des activités qui y sont pratiquées, le justifie au regard notamment de la densité de population observée ou prévue.

And there are exceptions like if you show a negative PCR test.

That is an inaccurate, I know nurses that were literally told they couldn’t work because they didn’t get vaccinated

Well in my province they never had a law or a policies to do that because they said very clearly that they couldn't afford to lose +10% of our nurses!

So it was never implemented for the nurses that were not vaccinated.

All the nurses in my province have unions to protect them.

They could have been move them from their current job to protect the "clients".

Well the person who runs our health services in Alberta is crazy, so they did fire a bunch of nurses. But they were magically let back in after vaccine passport was no longer mandatory, because apparently being unvaccinated is only okay when Alberta health services says so

Here the nurses do not need to be vaccinated but they need to be tested every second day

chamo2074

Mar 16, 2022

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#3482

playerafar wrote:

"Well, what you call 'your logic' is one that simply doesn't question anything and blindly believes everything that is being fed to us nowadays."

Wrong. I'm suggesting that if the vaxx-stimulated immune system has killed the virus in one's system (and also - is killing it) then that reduces the ability of the virus to spread.

That's exactly the point! Raoult's theory who again is one of the most knowledgeable doctors in France about the subject made his theory about antibodies.

Vaccines provoke the body to create antibodies that neutralize the virus (That's well known for any vaccine you can find it here. Based on the numerous graphs that show that countries that are more vaccinated for covid-19 have had huge numbers of covid cases led to the following theory:

"Covid vaccines provoke the body to also create antibodies that promote the virus in the body", furthermore he adds that the lifetime of these antibodies also called ADE (Anti-body dependant enhancements) is about 2 to 3 weeks. "

Pfizer doesn't take into consideration the 15 days after a vaccination, which makes us think about that theory even more!

Otherwise, how can you explain Australia's case? 80% of their COVID cases were after the vaccination campaign.

How can you explain the Ontario data?

chamo2074

Mar 16, 2022

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#3483

Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

chamo2074 a écrit :

About transmission:

How can you think vaccines decrease the transmission of the virus after you look at this:

(All official data: latest update 10/1/2022)
Australia after their HUGE VACCINATION CAMPAIGN that made them reach about 44M vaccinated people, and in the 28-day period, they got 800 000 cases which is about 80% of their total cases!

You need more than one vaccine and even two is not enough for many....so you need to have the % for three doses....

If two aren't enough, are vaccines really that effective?

Didn't you say that 2 doses offer 82% protection against omicron? Didn't you say a vaccinated person is 20 times less likely to spread the disease than an unvaccinated individual? How did that change all of a sudden?

Or maybe not enough for many people? Literally, 800 000 is the number of cases.

Marie-AnneLiz

Mar 16, 2022

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#3484

chamo2074 a écrit :

"Are there those who are entertaining the notion that if there was no vaccinations that the disease would spread less quickly?
This is not my logic.
Its the 'logic' of those who fail to realize that killing the virus in your body reduces its ability to spread.
This goes right over their head. They think that the virus failing to multiply in the body because the vaxx-stimulated immune system is killing it - would spread from that person just as fast and just as intensely and for just as long ???
That is the gross crass Illogic that is pushing them in the direction they want to go."

Well, what you call 'your logic' is one that simply doesn't question anything and blindly believes everything that is being fed to us nowadays. Anti-body dependant enhancements have been mentioned by Didier Raoult who is one of the most capped doctors in France, specializing in infectious diseases, but analyzing data and noticing things such as the Australia data I sent earlier, and this:

He also says that data related to COVID 15 days after the vaccine shot is rarely shared.

Please let aside the fact that it is highly suspected that he's an attention-seeker and somebody who spreads disinformation because if you don't listen to him you'll never change your mind. When I watch him he doesn't really say anything illogical and shows official data, much more often than he talks about his own theories about ADE.

Didier Raoult cannot be trusted he say a lot of thing that are just is opinion.

He gained significant worldwide attention during the COVID-19 pandemic for vocally promoting hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for the disease, despite the lack of good evidence for its effectiveness and the consequent NIH and WHO's opposition to its use for the treatment of COVID-19 in hospitalized patients.

Raoult's extremely high publication rate results from his "attaching his name to nearly every paper that comes out of his institute",^[] a practice that has been called "grossly unethical"

chamo2074

Mar 16, 2022

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#3485

playerafar wrote:

Would people have 'trouble' figuring out that a vaccinated person is less likely to spread a disease ?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/11/covid-19-vaccination-spread/

There's something called 'logical evidence'.
Its an important part of evidence.
But 'logical evidence' is something that operates within the person considering. Can the presenter of whatever evidence - do his thinking for him - or do a Vulcan Mind Meld ? No.

For example - Many maintain that the moon landings were faked.
They quote 'evidence'. No I don't have a link.
And there's much 'evidence' to the contrary.
Should people print each link from each side on a piece of paper - give an additional sheet if it says 'peer review' and then physically weigh and compare the two piles of papers ?
No. But Moon landings would 'win' though but then whoever could say ...
"Insufficient evidence'. Can't find 'moon landings faked' guilty without more preponderance."

What about logical evidence though?
What about thinking?
"Hey what would it mean if it was 'faked' ? that would in turn mean ... No!"
Anybody is supposed to think this ?:
'Well if the virus is killed off much sooner in a host because of vaccination - that doesn't reduce the likelihood of that person spreading the disease?'
How could that be ?

But the screamers can win - if they can be powerful enough.
A Swiss farmer could get people in the US southwest to believe his garbage can lid was a UFO.
Maybe he could get people to believe an object can be in four places at the same time too.
The anti-vaxx Disinformation people are powerful for sure.
Especially in USA.

How can you compare a swiss farmer to a physician and microbiologist who specializes in infectious diseases? That's quite disrespectful.

Maybe we can start talking science and practice instead of just making analogies that don't relate?

And again the question you cannot answer, how does your logic, and the fact that vaccines make you less likely to spread diseases apply in practice?

If it doesn't apply in practice is it really being paranoid and lacking logic to have doubts?

chamo2074

Mar 16, 2022

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#3486

Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

chamo2074 a écrit :

"Are there those who are entertaining the notion that if there was no vaccinations that the disease would spread less quickly?
This is not my logic.
Its the 'logic' of those who fail to realize that killing the virus in your body reduces its ability to spread.
This goes right over their head. They think that the virus failing to multiply in the body because the vaxx-stimulated immune system is killing it - would spread from that person just as fast and just as intensely and for just as long ???
That is the gross crass Illogic that is pushing them in the direction they want to go."

Well, what you call 'your logic' is one that simply doesn't question anything and blindly believes everything that is being fed to us nowadays. Anti-body dependant enhancements have been mentioned by Didier Raoult who is one of the most capped doctors in France, specializing in infectious diseases, but analyzing data and noticing things such as the Australia data I sent earlier, and this:

He also says that data related to COVID 15 days after the vaccine shot is rarely shared.

Please let aside the fact that it is highly suspected that he's an attention-seeker and somebody who spreads disinformation because if you don't listen to him you'll never change your mind. When I watch him he doesn't really say anything illogical and shows official data, much more often than he talks about his own theories about ADE.

Didier Raoult cannot be trusted he say a lot of thing that are just is opinion.

He gained significant worldwide attention during the COVID-19 pandemic for vocally promoting hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for the disease, despite the lack of good evidence for its effectiveness and the consequent NIH and WHO's opposition to its use for the treatment of COVID-19 in hospitalized patients.

Raoult's extremely high publication rate results from his "attaching his name to nearly every paper that comes out of his institute",[] a practice that has been called "grossly unethical"

But again is he saying anything that's illogical?

His ADE theory has literally been seen with a vaccine before, and look at the data I posted it matches perfectly with what he's saying.

Besides he's had one of the best reputations in France pre-covid, and it's literally his speciality, how is that not reliable?

Marie-AnneLiz

Mar 16, 2022

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#3487

chamo2074 a écrit :

Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

chamo2074 a écrit :

"Are there those who are entertaining the notion that if there was no vaccinations that the disease would spread less quickly?
This is not my logic.
Its the 'logic' of those who fail to realize that killing the virus in your body reduces its ability to spread.
This goes right over their head. They think that the virus failing to multiply in the body because the vaxx-stimulated immune system is killing it - would spread from that person just as fast and just as intensely and for just as long ???
That is the gross crass Illogic that is pushing them in the direction they want to go."

Well, what you call 'your logic' is one that simply doesn't question anything and blindly believes everything that is being fed to us nowadays. Anti-body dependant enhancements have been mentioned by Didier Raoult who is one of the most capped doctors in France, specializing in infectious diseases, but analyzing data and noticing things such as the Australia data I sent earlier, and this:

He also says that data related to COVID 15 days after the vaccine shot is rarely shared.

Please let aside the fact that it is highly suspected that he's an attention-seeker and somebody who spreads disinformation because if you don't listen to him you'll never change your mind. When I watch him he doesn't really say anything illogical and shows official data, much more often than he talks about his own theories about ADE.

Didier Raoult cannot be trusted he say a lot of thing that are just is opinion.

He gained significant worldwide attention during the COVID-19 pandemic for vocally promoting hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for the disease, despite the lack of good evidence for its effectiveness and the consequent NIH and WHO's opposition to its use for the treatment of COVID-19 in hospitalized patients.

Raoult's extremely high publication rate results from his "attaching his name to nearly every paper that comes out of his institute",[] a practice that has been called "grossly unethical"

But again is he saying anything that's illogical?

His ADE theory has literally been seen with a vaccine before, and look at the data I posted it matches perfectly with what he's saying.

Besides he's had one of the best reputations in France pre-covid, and it's literally his speciality, how is that not reliable?

The fact that he was good in general doesn't mean that is is always right and in France is credibility is very bad right now...i'm not going to explain why because it will take a very long time...my point is very simple....if you believe what he say about the covid 19 in France you will be looked like a fool!

chamo2074

Mar 16, 2022

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#3488

"Credibility in France is very bad right now" That's exactly what he says. Watch the video I posted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x-eozrCCNM&t=816s

He talks about credibility and doesn't say anything based on opinion, but rather analyzes official data to make his point. And once again this is not the first time ADE happened to be a thing (if it is in this case). Because the dengue disease vaccines also included the production of facilitating antibodies.

"I will be looked like a fool". I don't really mind if I look like one as long as I am not being one as I am questioning the information that is being fed to me. Because some things that are being told to us just don't match with reality really.

Marie-AnneLiz

Mar 16, 2022

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#3489

chamo2074 a écrit :

Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

chamo2074 a écrit :

About transmission:

How can you think vaccines decrease the transmission of the virus after you look at this:

(All official data: latest update 10/1/2022)
Australia after their HUGE VACCINATION CAMPAIGN that made them reach about 44M vaccinated people, and in the 28-day period, they got 800 000 cases which is about 80% of their total cases!

You need more than one vaccine and even two is not enough for many....so you need to have the % for three doses....

If two aren't enough, are vaccines really that effective?

Didn't you say that 2 doses offer 82% protection against omicron? Didn't you say a vaccinated person is 20 times less likely to spread the disease than an unvaccinated individual? How did that change all of a sudden?

Or maybe not enough for many people? Literally, 800 000 is the number of cases.

Results showed that six months after receiving two doses of the COVID-19 vaccine, little protection remained against symptomatic illness from the Omicron variant.

The study also showed that three doses of the vaccine decreased the chances of developing symptomatic illness from Omicron by 61 per cent. A third dose of the COVID-19 vaccine also reduced the risk of hospitalization and death due to the Omicron variant by 95 per cent.

My nephew got it last week and he had Three doses and he was very sick for 6 days.... he is 45 and in great shape....he stayed at home...

chamo2074

Mar 16, 2022

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#3490

But what you're saying doesn't match with Australia's case:

"As of 28 December 2021, Australia has administered 42,252,227 vaccine doses across the country.[3][9][10] The country's vaccination rollout initially faced criticism for its slow pace and late start, falling far below initial government targets.[11][12] Despite this, Australia began vaccinating its citizens at a comparatively fast pace, overtaking the United States in first dose coverage by 10 October.[13] 90% of the Australian population aged 12 and over are now fully vaccinated.[14]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_Australia#:~:text=The%20general%20COVID%2D19%20vaccination,all%20willing%20Australians%20before%202022.

playerafar

Mar 16, 2022

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#3491

And Australia has fared much better than the USA in Covid deaths per million of its population.

About 20 times better.
The Australian government and its people have worked hard to fight the disease.
The anti vaxx and anti mask and other Covid Disinformation people are much less powerful there.
And Novak Djokovic was kicked out of Australia.
Great thing for Australia and for the world.

Regarding the last several posts - I haven't even looked at them yet.

Just noticed reference to Australia.
I wonder if its worth it. May depend on who posted.
I'll check later.

chamo2074

Mar 16, 2022

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#3492

But the point made was about transmission and not about deaths. Again I am not opposing or disagreeing to the fact that vaccines reduce deaths/dangerous cases.

As for Novak, I thought you were pro-choice? He refused to get the vaccine and got booted how is it a win?

playerafar

Mar 16, 2022

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#3493

I am pro-choice.
That doesn't mean he has to be allowed to stay.

And there are many points.
Not 'the point'. You cannot ordain what 'the point' is for everybody.
I made a point about deaths.
You didn't think that deaths are related to transmission?
Its only just now occurred to you?

You've confused 'pro choice' with opening the floodgates to Covid pandemic.
And again the 'you and me' stuff. An itch you can't seem to scratch enough.

DiogenesDue

Mar 16, 2022

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#3494

chamo2074 wrote:

That's exactly the point! Raoult's theory who again is one of the most knowledgeable doctors in France about the subject made his theory about antibodies.

Vaccines provoke the body to create antibodies that neutralize the virus (That's well known for any vaccine you can find it here. Based on the numerous graphs that show that countries that are more vaccinated for covid-19 have had huge numbers of covid cases led to the following theory:

"Covid vaccines provoke the body to also create antibodies that promote the virus in the body", furthermore he adds that the lifetime of these antibodies also called ADE (Anti-body dependant enhancements) is about 2 to 3 weeks. "

Pfizer doesn't take into consideration the 15 days after a vaccination, which makes us think about that theory even more!

Otherwise, how can you explain Australia's case? 80% of their COVID cases were after the vaccination campaign.

How can you explain the Ontario data?

Link your sources when you make these kind of statements bolded above. This is strike #2.

Australia and New Zealand had lower Covid-19 cases rates initially, much the same way that they have such unique ecosystems...they are more isolated (yes, even with plane travel). So it stands to reason that the bulk of their cases came later on. Omicron is more transmissible, this is true. What's also true is that if everyone have gotten vaccinated when they should have, Omicron might never have evolved as a mutation at all.

As for the assertion that countries with lots of vaccinations have lots of cases, you're putting the cart before the horse. Countries with lots of cases get a lot of vaccinations. Whatever blogs you are reading, you need better ones ...these kinds of backwards correlations are par for the course for conspiracy buffs.

wsswan

Mar 16, 2022

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#3495

I had 2 Pfizer shots and then 4 months later I had Covid-19.

DiogenesDue

Mar 16, 2022

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#3496

wsswan wrote:

I had 2 Pfizer shots and then 4 months later I had Covid-19.

That's probably what's known as a breakthrough infection. You know all those stories about Pfizer and Moderna being over 90% effective? As it turns out, 90% is not 100%...

playerafar

Mar 16, 2022

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#3497

wsswan wrote:

I had 2 Pfizer shots and then 4 months later I had Covid-19.

But maybe it would have killed you if you hadn't had the Pfizer shots.
The statistics are dramatic on that.

Marie-AnneLiz

Mar 17, 2022

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#3498

wsswan a écrit :

I had 2 Pfizer shots and then 4 months later I had Covid-19.

Getting covid 19 and being sick for a few days like having a bad flue is not the same has being hospitalized for covid-19.

Results showed that six months after receiving two doses of the COVID-19 vaccine, little protection remained against symptomatic illness from the Omicron variant.

RonaldJosephCote

Mar 17, 2022

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#3499

Its not covid, but its a dangerous little bug... https://www.yahoo.com/news/tick-linked-dangerous-virus-people-214807423.html

playerafar

Mar 17, 2022

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#3500

Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

wsswan a écrit :

I had 2 Pfizer shots and then 4 months later I had Covid-19.

Getting covid 19 and being sick for a few days like having a bad flue is not the same has being hospitalized for covid-19.

Results showed that six months after receiving two doses of the COVID-19 vaccine, little protection remained against symptomatic illness from the Omicron variant.

I believe a similiar thing happens with other types of vaccinations.
Many people are known to get annual flu shots.
Did anybody ever tell them "Hey this vaccination protects you your whole life - you'll never need another flu shot ! "

Its part of the Disinformation campaign it seems to get people hung up on '100% immunity'.
To sell them a kind of Brooklyn Bridge that the authorities made some sort of pretense that they the authorities never made.

Its like - when you lock your car door - has the car manufacturer told you
"Lock your car. Nobody can ever break in. Nobody ever will." ... ??
The amazing thing is that the Disinfo people manage to make these tactics work for them. They 'succeed' in their evil purpose.
Playing on the word 'immunity' looks like part of it.
They can get people to totally misinterpret that word ...