Australia has saved a lot of their citizens from an awful Covid death.
They deserve a lot of credit.
Australia - for several decades has been arguably one of the top five best run countries in the world and best countries to live in.
Has it bounced Norway out of the number one spot now and then?
I don't know.
Maybe it can be checked out. And how Norway has handled Covid.
Perhaps the Disinfo people won't and don't care less about vastly reduced Covid death percentages. Its usually obvious they don't.
But they get away with whatever.
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Mar 17, 2022
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#3502
playerafar wrote:
Australia has saved a lot of their citizens from an awful Covid death.
They deserve a lot of credit.
Australia - for several decades has been arguably one of the top five best run countries in the world and best countries to live in.
Has it bounced Norway out of the number one spot now and then?
I don't know.
Maybe it can be checked out. And how Norway has handled Covid.
Perhaps the Disinfo people won't and don't care less about vastly reduced Covid death percentages. Its usually obvious they don't.
But they get away with whatever.
Australia?! One of the best countries to live in?! 😂😂😂 maybe if you hate living your life with any sort of freedom or choice
Mar 17, 2022
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#3504
I've heard Australia is quite liberal.
There is much diversity. Especially in Melbourne ?
'hate living' ?? Mean hate living because of not dying of Covid?
Getting deprived of freedom to spread Covid and kill men and women and children and families ?
Maybe there's a country where there's no red lights at busy traffic intersections.
Perhaps such a country would be an ideal place?
Freedom of choice to run everybody over?
btickler wrote:
chamo2074 wrote:
That's exactly the point! Raoult's theory who again is one of the most knowledgeable doctors in France about the subject made his theory about antibodies.
Vaccines provoke the body to create antibodies that neutralize the virus (That's well known for any vaccine you can find it here. Based on the numerous graphs that show that countries that are more vaccinated for covid-19 have had huge numbers of covid cases led to the following theory:
"Covid vaccines provoke the body to also create antibodies that promote the virus in the body", furthermore he adds that the lifetime of these antibodies also called ADE (Anti-body dependant enhancements) is about 2 to 3 weeks. "
Pfizer doesn't take into consideration the 15 days after a vaccination, which makes us think about that theory even more!
Otherwise, how can you explain Australia's case? 80% of their COVID cases were after the vaccination campaign.
How can you explain the Ontario data?
Link your sources when you make these kind of statements bolded above. This is strike #2.
Australia and New Zealand had lower Covid-19 cases rates initially, much the same way that they have such unique ecosystems...they are more isolated (yes, even with plane travel). So it stands to reason that the bulk of their cases came later on. Omicron is more transmissible, this is true. What's also true is that if everyone have gotten vaccinated when they should have, Omicron might never have evolved as a mutation at all.
As for the assertion that countries with lots of vaccinations have lots of cases, you're putting the cart before the horse. Countries with lots of cases get a lot of vaccinations. Whatever blogs you are reading, you need better ones ...these kinds of backwards correlations are par for the course for conspiracy buffs.
This is where you can find that kind of data: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
This image is data from January the 10th
"Link your sources when you make this kind of statement bolded above. This is strike #2"
I put the image some posts ago and the source is clear on the image but if you want the link fine.
"Australia and New Zealand had lower Covid-19 cases rates initially, much the same way that they have such unique ecosystems...they are more isolated (yes, even with plane travel). So it stands to reason that the bulk of their cases came later on. Omicron is more transmissible, this is true"
The 800 000 cases shown out of the about 1M cases were all in the 28days period that followed Australia's huge vaccination campaign. Add that to the fact that Pfizer doesn't take into consideration the 15 days after vaccination (heard it from Raoult in the video I posted earlier, I was wondering if anyone could find a fact-check about this one?), it is extremely likely that vaccination might increase the spread of the virus 15 days after the shot being injected, ESPECIALLY THAT THIS HAS BEEN SEEN BEFORE with the dengue disease vaccines.
Also if vaccines really work well to stop transmission (20 times less likely to transmit according to @MarieAnne-Liz's sources), then why would the amount of cases jump that highly, due to omciron? It has been posted earlier in this thread that two doses offer 82% protection against omicron. Also I mean, in those 28 days (december to january the 10th), they got 80% of the total cases from the beginning of the pandemic which dates back to about march 2020.
"As for the assertion that countries with lots of vaccinations have lots of cases, you're putting the cart before the horse. Countries with lots of cases get a lot of vaccinations."
The 80% came right after the vaccination campaign:
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The general COVID-19 vaccination in Australia program began on 22 February 2021 in response to the COVID-19 pandemic, and will continue with the goal of vaccinating all willing Australians before 2022. Front-line workers[a] and aged care staff and residents will be the first Australians to be inoculated, before a gradual phased release to less-vulnerable and lower-risk population groups throughout 2021. The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) approved four vaccines for Australian use in 2021: the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine on 25 January, the Oxford–AstraZeneca vaccine on 16 February, Janssen vaccine on 25 June and the Moderna vaccine on 9 August.[4][5][6][7] Although approved for use, the Janssen vaccine is not included in the Australian vaccination program.[8]
As of 28 December 2021, Australia has administered 42,252,227 vaccine doses across the country.[3][9][10] The country's vaccination rollout initially faced criticism for its slow pace and late start, falling far below initial government targets.[11][12] Despite this, Australia began vaccinating its citizens at a comparatively fast pace, overtaking the United States in first dose coverage by 10 October.[13] 90% of the Australian population aged 12 and over are now fully vaccinated.[14]"
I'm pretty sure this is public and easy to find information, and not only on wiki which isn't the most reliable source but still.
playerafar wrote:
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
wsswan a écrit :
I had 2 Pfizer shots and then 4 months later I had Covid-19.
Getting covid 19 and being sick for a few days like having a bad flue is not the same has being hospitalized for covid-19.
Results showed that six months after receiving two doses of the COVID-19 vaccine, little protection remained against symptomatic illness from the Omicron variant.
I believe a similiar thing happens with other types of vaccinations.
Many people are known to get annual flu shots.
Did anybody ever tell them "Hey this vaccination protects you your whole life - you'll never need another flu shot ! "
Its part of the Disinformation campaign it seems to get people hung up on '100% immunity'.
To sell them a kind of Brooklyn Bridge that the authorities made some sort of pretense that they the authorities never made.
Its like - when you lock your car door - has the car manufacturer told you
"Lock your car. Nobody can ever break in. Nobody ever will." ... ??
The amazing thing is that the Disinfo people manage to make these tactics work for them. They 'succeed' in their evil purpose.
Playing on the word 'immunity' looks like part of it.
They can get people to totally misinterpret that word ...
Flu vaccines prevented flu illness at 40 to 60%, covid vaccines decrease death/heavy symptoms.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm
Mar 17, 2022
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#3507
Australia has tried harder than the US in multiple ways. To fight Covid.
Measures against Covid - work better in Combination.
Vaccination by itself. Good. But with people wearing masks too -
then the virus is finding fewer hosts. Its mathematical ability to spread is greatly reduced. Whether variants or not.
Masks 'work'. But they work better with vaccinations thrown in too.
Vaccination is very probably the single biggest measure.
But the Disinfo people will try to attack it as a panacea.
Social distancing helps. Lockdowns help. Regulations help.
Hygiene helps.
Commonsense helps too.
Disinfo people will try to micro-assess each measure.
With apathy to the measures working in concert to fight the disease.
Wanting others to be oblivious to the effectiveness of concerted actions and measures.
playerafar wrote:
Australia has tried harder than the US in multiple ways. To fight Covid.
Measures against Covid - work better in Combination.
Vaccination by itself. Good. But with people wearing masks too -
then the virus is finding fewer hosts. Its mathematical ability to spread is greatly reduced. Whether variants or not.
Masks 'work'. But they work better with vaccinations thrown in too.
Social distancing helps. Lockdowns help. Regulations help.
Hygiene helps.
Commonsense helps too.
Disinfo people will try to micro-assess each measure.
With apathy to the measures working in concert to fight the disease.
Wanting others to be oblivious to the effectiveness of concerted actions and measures.
So you're saying Australia did not use the precautions as much as the US? Any sources for that? And that COVID decided to hit 800 000 people in 28 days after the vaccination campaign, and only 200 000 in the whole two years before that?
Let's say omicron's transmission is that much greater than other variants, how are the vaccines that are also at "82% effective against omicron with 2 doses, and more than 90% with a booster" decreasing the spreading of the virus?
Mar 17, 2022
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#3509
"So you're saying Australia did not use the precautions as much as the US?"
What kind of Crazy Tactics is that ?
Didn't I just say that Australia tried harder ?
After reading that beginning line of your post - I didn't need to read the rest of the post.
If I say - It rained in Spain yesterday -
you're going to begin your next post with "so you're saying it didn't rain in Spain yesterday?"
Hey - that isn't about Covid. That tactic is about something else.
Frankly - I hope the opening poster gets after you about it.
Ever try thinking about what you read?
Sorry but the fact that your post came after #3648 didn't make much sense to me.
You said, in multiple ways I assumed you meant not in all ways.
Because if you meant that Australia delt with the pandemic better, there is still no justification for the 800 000 cases post-vaccine campaign.
Again apologies for my incomprehension of what you said, and please stop saying I am using tactics, I'm just trying to argue and your response in the way you apparently meant it just ignored a hugely important argument.
Mar 17, 2022
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#3512
You think that every post has to refer to the one just before it ???
How much 'help' do you need ?
You're responsible for your posts.
Having misunderstandings like you would be having a coughing fit amounts to tactics.
I want to accept your ongoing apologies - but what indication is there that they're sincere?
You Quoted my post. Then followed in the same post with 'So you're saying ...'
Ever occur to you we weren't born yesterday?
Then you just ignored a key argument? How about this being a tactic 
Mar 17, 2022
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#3514
Nobody has to read anybody else's posts -
implying that we must all worship your posts is yet another tactic by you.
Suggestion: stop apologizing if you're not sorry. Don't.
Mar 17, 2022
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#3515
Here's another example of measures working in concert:
From Wiki:
In March 2020, a senior Norwegian Institute of Public Health consultant said one of the major reasons why the mortality rate was significantly lower than in other European countries (such as Italy, Spain, the UK) was the high number of tests performed in Norway.[4] Testing for Covid is not medical treatment of Covid (testing does not save lives on its own) - but testing may lead to medical treatment for Covid.
Measures work in concert. More measures - more fight. Less Covid.
Less Covid - less transmission - less intense disease - less Covid deaths.
And less overwhelming of hospitals and medical facilities too.
Tragically - in some countries - as they seem to have had some success - they've lifted lockdowns and other measures - and the result has been more death and more help to the virus.
Its analagous to - The Allies landed at DDay - and then said -
"Okay - we've done pretty well. Lets ground all our planes. No patrols. No more advancing. Lets let the other side get back to bombing us again."
playerafar wrote:
Nobody has to read anybody else's posts -
implying that we must all worship your posts is yet another tactic by you.
Suggestion: stop apologizing if you're not sorry. Don't.
In an argument or a debate, it kind of is a necessity to read somebody else's post.
Mar 17, 2022
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#3517
chamo2074 wrote:
playerafar wrote:
Nobody has to read anybody else's posts -
implying that we must all worship your posts is yet another tactic by you.
Suggestion: stop apologizing if you're not sorry. Don't.
In an argument or a debate, it kind of is a necessity to read somebody else's post.
It looks like that's part of your problem.
Out of the over 3000 posts so far - perhaps you believe that all of your posts should be read?
Or that any post must always refer to the one before it ?
Or that it should be so because you say so?
It is 'kind of a necessity'. Something for you to decide ...
By your illogic - I should now castigate you for ignoring my post about the Norway effort against Covid.
Or maybe get 'all cut up about that' ?
Or - only your points are to be addressed ?
Everyone else's points are to be 'misunderstood' ...
I'm going to make another post about Covid now.
I'm going to ignore you. Lets see if you can be an adult about that.
playerafar wrote:
chamo2074 wrote:
playerafar wrote:
Nobody has to read anybody else's posts -
implying that we must all worship your posts is yet another tactic by you.
Suggestion: stop apologizing if you're not sorry. Don't.
In an argument or a debate, it kind of is a necessity to read somebody else's post.
It looks like that's part of your problem.
Out of the over 3000 posts so far - perhaps you believe that all of your posts should be read?
Or that any post must always refer to the one before it ?
Or that it should be so because you say so?
It is 'kind of a necessity'. Something for you to decide ...
By your illogic - I should now castigate you for ignoring my post about the Norway effort against Covid.
Or maybe get 'all cut up about that' ?
I literally mentioned it: in an argument
And Australia has fared much better than the USA in Covid deaths per million of its population.
About 20 times better.
The Australian government and its people have worked hard to fight the disease.
The anti vaxx and anti mask and other Covid Disinformation people are much less powerful there.
And Novak Djokovic was kicked out of Australia.
Great thing for Australia and for the world.
Regarding the last several posts - I haven't even looked at them yet.
Just noticed reference to Australia.
I wonder if its worth it. May depend on who posted.
I'll check later.
Hmmmm, and Australia is still locking people with It in COVID prison camps…