Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

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BlindThief
btickler wrote:
ElvisMyBoy wrote:

Hopefully we wouldnt remember the outbreak witch would mean that not to many people have died if u are not worried about the money that probably means that your life doesnt change that mutch if u miss income for a these corona months but for some of us it will change our life greatly.and government should be consistent with how they deal with other things they dont quarantaine for gun violence witch kill many people or traffic accidents other things that kill millions so they are inconsistent the least .

As I said...in hindsight, you will remember the outbreak and the experience, not the money.  I know you feel like a few months of financial hardship will "change your life greatly", but I guarantee you, remembering how you had to eat top ramen and live with your best friend for a while will not compare to your memory of going to work, catching the virus, and then passing it to someone you love and watching them die.

This so much. I’m resigned to my fate that I’ll eventually catch it, as 40-70% are expected to. But I’m young, so there is that. Nevertheless, I still do the distancing and what not to prevent spreads if I did contract it but remain asymptotic. Seriously, it’s a little scary knowing that Poor hygiene on my part may be my neighbor or coworkers death sentence

Marie-AnneLiz

Hundreds of young Americans have now been killed by the coronavirus, data shows

ER doctor: ‘Just because they are young doesn’t mean they aren’t vulnerable’

 at least 759 people under age 50 across the United States who have perished amid the deepening pandemic, according to a Washington Post analysis of state data. These deaths underscore the tragic fact that while the novel coronavirus might be most threatening to the old and compromised, no one is immune.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/08/young-people-coronavirus-deaths/

Marie-AnneLiz

The true number of deaths among young people is probably even higher. Not all states provide data on coronavirus deaths sorted by age group. Some, like New Jersey and Texas, provided figures after being approached by The Post, while others, like California, did not. As a result, the figures above do not include data from some states, including several with sizable outbreaks.

Marie-AnneLiz

“A very fit 30-year-old triathlete is just as vulnerable as a chess-playing 45-year-old who gets no exercise,” he said. “We just don’t know who it is that this virus carries the master key to.”

SoupTime4

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm

 

zborg

This thread is mindless tripe.  Even the Trolls should be embarrassed.

Have you no shame?

DiogenesDue
zborg wrote:

This thread is mindless tripe.  Even the Trolls should be embarrassed.

Have you no shame?

Maybe you could point out something, using concrete facts.  Because what you posted is worthless, even in support of your own point.

I'm not universally happy with the thread, either, but it's a damn sight better than the old one.

DiogenesDue
Phoenyx75 wrote:
ElvisMyBoy wrote:
btickler schreef:
ElvisMyBoy wrote:

Also the world war 2 reference is misleading since most people that died in war are young people twenties or thirties and most people who die from covid eighty nighty and 100 hundred years old. 

I see, so it's a relative value of human life equation for you?  Tens of millions would be okay if it's just old people. 95 year olds had a full life  nobody lives foreverer many of the people at that age even want to die or cant do anything usefull or are just in pain they even say themselves save younger people who have a full life ahead.And i also said that they should shield older people from the young but i guess you only react to things i say that favour youre opinion

I personally think Elvis has a point. I'm not yet that old (I'm 44), but let's face some facts:

We all need food and shelter. Generally, those things cost money. Generally, you don't get money if you're young if you're not working. 


All other things being equal, if I had to choose between my life and someone younger than me, I'd choose the younger person. I've lived longer and I think that as you grow older, the idea is that you should also be getting wiser and willing to sacrifice more for those who have not yet had as much time in this world. This is what parents the world over do- I, like a fair amount of people, have no children, but I do think that younger people should get to have at least as long a time as I have had. 

Where did this section come from?  

"95 year olds had a full life  nobody lives foreverer many of the people at that age even want to die or cant do anything usefull or are just in pain they even say themselves save younger people who have a full life ahead.And i also said that they should shield older people from the young but i guess you only react to things i say that favour youre opinion"

It's being quoted as if I posted it,

It's misleading to say 95 year olds when you are really talking about 65 year olds, as if only people in their 90s and up are dying.  Even for someone fine with the ethics of trading lives because some are "worth more", people in their 60s have 10-25 years left on their life expectancy. 

The "younger people should live longer" argument is a false dichotomy.  This isn't about trading younger lives for older lives, and the economic hardships imposed at the moment are not threatening the lives of any remotely significant amount of 20-somethings. 

Shielding the elderly is what happens *after* the first outbreak has waned, not during.  It takes about 10 weeks for the curve to run through each country thus far...suck it up.  A lot of people seemingly have not had any real hardships in their lives.  Let me assure you, you can survive 10 weeks without a job just fine...you'll actually have to take real measures, though, not sit around waiting for somebody to take care of you.

llama44
Quasimorphy wrote:
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

  Maybe this will dismiss some of the arguments......                                         https://www.yahoo.com/news/fauci-dismisses-conspiracy-theories-to-spin-the-coronavirus-death-toll-132059427.html                                                                                 

I run into a lot of that sort of nonsense on some of the forums I use: Fauci is a deep state operative. Fauci and Birx are intentionally trying to tank the economy to undermine Trump. Fauci is anti-hydroxychloroquine because of some connection to Bill Gates who is pushing for a vaccine.  The death toll projections were lies.

Even the left is getting in on the act.  Chris Hayes was claiming the death toll projection may have been inflated to make Trump look good when we come in under the projections.

I feel sorry for anyone deluded enough to believe this.

ElvisMyBoy
btickler schreef:
Phoenyx75 wrote:
ElvisMyBoy wrote:
btickler schreef:
ElvisMyBoy wrote:

Also the world war 2 reference is misleading since most people that died in war are young people twenties or thirties and most people who die from covid eighty nighty and 100 hundred years old. 

I see, so it's a relative value of human life equation for you?  Tens of millions would be okay if it's just old people. 95 year olds had a full life  nobody lives foreverer many of the people at that age even want to die or cant do anything usefull or are just in pain they even say themselves save younger people who have a full life ahead.And i also said that they should shield older people from the young but i guess you only react to things i say that favour youre opinion

I personally think Elvis has a point. I'm not yet that old (I'm 44), but let's face some facts:

We all need food and shelter. Generally, those things cost money. Generally, you don't get money if you're young if you're not working. 


All other things being equal, if I had to choose between my life and someone younger than me, I'd choose the younger person. I've lived longer and I think that as you grow older, the idea is that you should also be getting wiser and willing to sacrifice more for those who have not yet had as much time in this world. This is what parents the world over do- I, like a fair amount of people, have no children, but I do think that younger people should get to have at least as long a time as I have had. 

Where did this section come from?  

"95 year olds had a full life  nobody lives foreverer many of the people at that age even want to die or cant do anything usefull or are just in pain they even say themselves save younger people who have a full life ahead.And i also said that they should shield older people from the young but i guess you only react to things i say that favour youre opinion"

It's being quoted as if I posted it,

It's misleading to say 95 year olds when you are really talking about 65 year olds, as if only people in their 90s and up are dying.  Even for someone fine with the ethics of trading lives because some are "worth more", people in their 60s have 10-25 years left on their life expectancy. 

The "younger people should live longer" argument is a false dichotomy.  This isn't about trading younger lives for older lives, and the economic hardships imposed at the moment are not threatening the lives of any remotely significant amount of 20-somethings. 

Shielding the elderly is what happens *after* the first outbreak has waned, not during.  It takes about 10 weeks for the curve to run through each country thus far...suck it up.  A lot of people seemingly have not had any real hardships in their lives.  Let me assure you, you can survive 10 weeks without a job just fine...you'll actually have to take real measures, though, not sit around waiting for somebody to take care of I stay with my point that with these low numbers of twenty and thiry years old dying this age rating should go back to work with precautions of course but older people  sometimes with medical backround dying of covid give a distorted view of how deadly the virus is i also still think it is inconsistent with deaths of other things like traffic accidents  gun violence bad economy and many others that kill millions not thousands where we dont take these kind of hard measures.The swedish government clearly agrees with this as it doesnt put lockdown on their people and i believe many countries will end the lockdown within weaks as there is no long term plan living like this we cant sit in our house for the next 20 years.

zborg
btickler wrote:
zborg wrote:

This thread is mindless tripe.  Even the Trolls should be embarrassed.

Have you no shame?

Maybe you could point out something, using concrete facts.  Because what you posted is worthless, even in support of your own point.

I'm not universally happy with the thread, either, but it's a damn sight better than the old one.

"Old one, but the new one is better??"

This thread simply recirculates BS assertions and various conspiracy theories.  It has scant respect for people dying (all over the world), and you (the OP) preside over this crap??

You should be ashamed of yourself, and the pin-headed logic you use to continue it.

Nuff said?

SoupTime4

Yes...we have far more serous issues to deal with!  Like this post where someone is going off because they lost 9 rating points.  Priorities people!

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/unfair-loss-due-to-internet-connection-lost

RonaldJosephCote

   That's the 1st I hear about Dr Fauci being a "deep state operative"...surprise.png  I wonder if anyone told Trump yet.?  lol.

llama44
zborg wrote:
btickler wrote:
zborg wrote:

This thread is mindless tripe.  Even the Trolls should be embarrassed.

Have you no shame?

Maybe you could point out something, using concrete facts.  Because what you posted is worthless, even in support of your own point.

I'm not universally happy with the thread, either, but it's a damn sight better than the old one.

"Old one, but the new one is better??"

This thread simply recirculates BS assertions and various conspiracy theories.  It has scant respect for people dying (all over the world), and you (the OP) preside over this crap??

You should be ashamed of yourself, and the pin-headed logic you use to continue it.

Nuff said?

This topic isn't meant to be a memorial, it's a place for discussion.

It's easy enough to criticize, and for what it's worth I rarely see you contribute (in any topic).

DiogenesDue
ElvisMyBoy wrote:
I stay with my point that with these low numbers of twenty and thiry years old dying this age rating should go back to work with precautions of course but older people  sometimes with medical backround dying of covid give a distorted view of how deadly the virus is i also still think it is inconsistent with deaths of other things like traffic accidents  gun violence bad economy and many others that kill millions not thousands where we dont take these kind of hard measures.The swedish government clearly agrees with this as it doesnt put lockdown on their people and i believe many countries will end the lockdown within weaks as there is no long term plan living like this we cant sit in our house for the next 20 years.

Nobody has said anything about years, and I just got through saying the curve seems to be about 10 weeks.  Hard measures are relative.  People go to jail for manslaughter if they are found to be negligent enough in a car accident, but you'll only pay a fine if you ignore the shelter in place.  Plus, bad economies in and of themselves are not a cause of death.  You can find plenty of people that have died of accident injuries and gunshot wounds, but you can't find a death certificate that says "complications due to bad economy" as the cause of death wink.png...

RonaldJosephCote

 lol.....that makes for a good grave marker. wink.png

DiogenesDue
zborg wrote:
btickler wrote:
zborg wrote:

This thread is mindless tripe.  Even the Trolls should be embarrassed.

Have you no shame?

Maybe you could point out something, using concrete facts.  Because what you posted is worthless, even in support of your own point.

I'm not universally happy with the thread, either, but it's a damn sight better than the old one.

"Old one, but the new one is better??"

This thread simply recirculates BS assertions and various conspiracy theories.  It has scant respect for people dying (all over the world), and you (the OP) preside over this crap??

You should be ashamed of yourself, and the pin-headed logic you use to continue it.

Nuff said?

On the contrary.  I am holding people's feet to the fire on conspiracy BS.  I am not stopping them from linking articles that contain someone else's BS, but I am calling that out too in many cases.

I don't feel I have disrespected anyone dying.  Who is doing that, exactly?  If I were motivated by generating attention or controversy, I'd be posting death total milestones, not the comparatively soft confirmed case totals (for example).

Let me be blunt.  You are free to contribute here, but not to pepper the thread with your normal meandering psychobabble and appear-smart-by-association pseudo-science (and I have read your posts for years, so I know whereof I speak).  If you've got something worthwhile to say, have at it.  If you're just going to critique, still fine within reason, but pony up something substantial and supported.

zborg

"Musty or Mushy peas."  Now that's clear thinking on your part.  Thanks for the heads up.  grin.png

Maybe you should do more reading, and less pontificating, about "capitalism."

To wit --

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/covid19-pandemic-requires-socialism-by-willem-h-buiter-1-2020-04

congrandolor

To be honest, if I have to choose between me (46 yo) and a stupid millenial obese and adictted to videogames, I choose me.

SoupTime4
congrandolor wrote:

To be honest, if I have to choose between me (46 yo) and a stupid millenial obese and adictted to videogames, I choose me.

Me...or someone that eats tide pods?  Im going with me.

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