Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

Water is wet? Is this relevant? 

Also ignores statistics.

It does not ignore statistics.

Regarding the 'top twelve' Covid disinformation people in the USA -
that's an easy search.
It doesn't seem to include top politicians of that kind though.
But its harder to get that list for 'worldwide'....
In fact - the search engine returns 'not many results contain 'worldwide' '
Its done that many times.  On multiple subjects.

You cannot truly evaluate long term effects without delaying all medications for ~75 years .

It does because it is low, but in terms of numbers, it's not lower than the risk of death of people between 0-28 years old.

You're right, but 0.01 daily deaths for unvaccinated people between 12-17 clearly shows the unnecessity of vaccinating people from this age group. I'm pretty sure other diseases have similar numbers! So, since long-term side effects cannot be evaluated, why are these people getting heavily vaccinated?? 

That's however, another plus for older people to get vaccinated because they're unlikely to experience these 'long-term' side effects. But people who are relatively young, are likely to live long, and thus might experience some of these unknown as of yet long-term side effects.

It leverages them, actually.  A 0.02% rate is *more* than acceptable for the millions of lives saved.  How many people have died worldwide due to adverse vaccine reactions?  Compare apples to apples.

Vaccines, like masks, are for protecting everyone, not just the individual.  Had quarantines and mask mandates been strictly followed at the outbreak, the virus might never have even gone global.

Pandemics are going to increase in number and scope the more that humanity's population increases, so get used to vaccines...you probably have a dozen already .

For the vast majority of people, the chances of an adverse reaction to the vaccines are lower by a couple of orders of magnitude compared to the risks of Covid-19.  Those that cannot get the vaccine are able to avoid getting it.  It just means that they may not be able to hold down certain jobs, etc. and might have to change careers, at worst.

It leverages them, actually. 

Correct.

What actually might be being ignored is the fact that young persons might act as carriers.
People who are vaccinated - or have had Covid and got over it without vaccination - should still wear a mask and take measures.
And kids who being kids are less likely to get Covid and also less likely to be hospitalized or die from Covid - should still mask up.
Its all part of 'fighting hard to stop Covid'.

Various discussion points could be addressed.
Should people who have 'had Covid' and then gotten over it - without vaccination - get vaccination?  Why not?  There are variants.  Maybe your immune system 'cools off'.  Maybe you're more likely to spread the disease unvaccinated.
'Get Covid' isn't well defined.  And can be misinterpreted.
Another thing agressively ignored and/or misinterpreted:

the fact that if the disease has been killed off in your body (with or without having gotten symptoms) - then you're less likely to spread the disease.
It seems to be part of the Disinformation effort to keep attacking 'viral load' among the vaccinated ....
they'll keep Screaming "Vaccination doesn't reduce the transmission of Covid !!" ...
such shrill tones have probably cost many lives already.  

Note the contradiction here:
"if you've been vaccinated then no need to wear a mask"
(which is irresponsible and negligent)
and then:
"the vaccinated have a 'viral load' - they still transmit the disease" 
(again - negligent because it ignores that where the vaccination stimulates the immune system to crush the virus (which is the vaccination's purpose and design and effect) then obviously in that case - how does a defeated/dead/consumed virus then 'transmit'?)
but compare the two disinformation statements - 
they're not even compatible with each other.
They contradict each other.
But the disinformation people don't care about logic.   

As for the comparison of death risks and serious vaccine side effects:

”Compare apples to apples”

That’s not wrong but myocarditis, pericarditis etc... are much more dangerous than a recoverable Covid hospitalization.

I think it would also be interesting to compare other vaccine side-effect risks with this one.

But I actually also have one for COVID hospitalizations, it's not quite the same though:

"That’s not wrong but myocarditis, pericarditis etc... are much more dangerous than a recoverable Covid hospitalization."

And Less Dangerous than Covid Death and contagious Lethal Pandemic killing millions of people.
And 'recoverable' looks like 'bait and switch'.
Without vaccination one is over Nine Thousand percent less likely to recover.
The virus Kills.  
The pandemic is Dangerous.  Its out there.

Your chances of getting myocarditis after the first or second mRNA vaccine if you are male are roughly 1 in 26,000, 1 in 218,000 if female:

https://www.tctmd.com/news/studies-highlight-rarity-myocarditis-mrna-covid-19-vaccines

Even the 1 in 26,000 cases mostly result in a full recovery.  In fact, I could not find any statistics on actual deaths resulting from vaccine-induced myocarditis...although there could be some.

This is a red herring when being compared to the Covid death rate, regardless of age.

myocarditis would be contagious ?   No.

It's not only myocarditis and pericarditis it's just all SERIOUS side effects in general which are estimated according to the stats I posted at a rate of about 0.02% that can only go up because logically not all side-effects are disclosed.

They are less dangerous than COVID death but again the risks to die if you are 12-28 are extremely low. They're not 1 in 26 000 they're, according to the 60 days study 0.6 to 1.2 each 100 000

Plus, catching COVID and recovering gives you natural immunity to the virus. So it's kind of, a vaccine.

Sure, and getting bitten by a rattlesnake bite and living makes you less likely to die from your second rattlesnake bite...

"Plus, catching COVID and recovering gives you natural immunity to the virus
there's that 'immunity' word again."
'and recovering' ...  that's if you live.
and - you can still get Covid or a variant - Again.  And/or spread it too.

"They are less dangerous than COVID death"
and Much less likely.
And very much less 'dangerous' than this thing called Death.  Covid death.
Covid Death and Contagion.

Any rejection or dismissal or failure to accomodate the reality that the fight against Covid is a thing that society and large groups of people and governments and nations and populations have to pull together to fight out - is itself a very Dangerous thing.  Such failure is itself a kind of disease.
Infecting people like Novak Djokovic.  
With his selfish approach - he himself has become a disinformation leader whether intending to or not.
Its hard for me to picture him winning another international tournament. 
Being honored.  He has no honor.  Not anymore.

Don't post the library editorials from nih.gov.  That is just a repository of unverified submissions that anyone can post to.  We had this discussion a long time back when somebody tried to pass these links off as official.

I'll delete then

Thank you.