Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

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DiogenesDue

A lot of profanity filters are initially seeded with some generic lists of short words like that.  It would be better if each website started with a clean list and added appropriate words as they went.  It's better to add specific terms one at a time than to just accept a cloud of general terms that then have to be culled back as legit uses occur...

Imagine if WebMD used this same profanity filter...

I got a red banner last night replying to something and lost a long post.  I quoted less verbiage and then did a new post and it worked.  Really wish the site would fix that (not the first time I have talked about it when there has been people talking about how they lost a long post). 

If a post doesn't go through you should not lose the post.  I don't always remember to copy it to the clipboard before hitting the Post button, and honestly, it should not be necessary.

Geodexic
btickler wrote:
Geodexic wrote:

There must be a preliminary observation regarding the virus behavior when it was exposed to UV light. As i suggest above that what a factor could kill the virus, whether it is the heat or the frequency.

The melanin creation or the chemical reaction is usually need the certain period of time to make an effect. While the UV burst from the capsule could be happening in very short time period. We could set the timing for the series of  UV burst.

And may be there is a difference behavior between host and the virus when it is exposed to a certain period of UV burst. This is the key to shot the only virus without affecting the host. 

Really?  Okay.

- The virus is inside the host cell. 

- UV light is not something we can change/re-formulate.  Unless you also have some theories about Einstein's work...

What you are suggesting is like trying to kill a tapeworm by shooting the patient with a shotgun and then hoping the tapeworm dies and they live.

It has nothing to do with changes the UV light characteristic. What we have to do is to know how long the UV light being exposed to the host cell to affect it. And how long the UV light being exposed to the virus to affect them. By comparing the difference in these two time periods we could beam UV light as long as it will affecting the virus and stop the UV exposure before affecting the host cell.    It just a matter of timing in the UV light exposure.

We hope there is a significance time period difference to safe the host and able to kill the virus.

llama44

So... do you know why or how UV light damages a virus?

It's the same way it damages anything. It's not a matter 5 seconds does zero damage and 6 seconds kills a virus or cell... and you have to go through layers of human to get to the virus... and there are at least millions of individual viruses in the human.

I understand it's an interesting idea to you, but frankly just from how you're phrasing your posts you don't know the most fundamental things.

llama44

Which is fine... nothing against you, it's fine to wonder about stuff like this... just not when you're the president lol

wsswan

I've lost some long posts as well and as slow as I type it is extremely frustrating. Also I give Trump a little leeway because he is human and subject to errors. It does seem he is extremely human however.

Strangemover

To err is human, to forgive divine. 

DiogenesDue
Geodexic wrote:

It has nothing to do with changes the UV light characteristic. What we have to do is to know how long the UV light being exposed to the host cell to affect it. And how long the UV light being exposed to the virus to affect them. By comparing the difference in these two time periods we could beam UV light as long as it will affecting the virus and stop the UV exposure before affecting the host cell.    It just a matter of timing in the UV light exposure.

We hope there is a significance time period difference to safe the host and able to kill the virus.

I hope somebody will come along and reboot the universe, minus Covid-19, mosquitoes, and some very selected segments of the human population wink.png...also theoretically possible, but just as unlikely.

wsswan

Don't forget chiggers. I hate them more than mosquitoes.

Marie-AnneLiz
wsswan a écrit :

I've lost some long posts as well and as slow as I type it is extremely frustrating. Also I give Trump a little leeway because he is human and subject to errors. It does seem he is extremely human however.

We are in 2020 not in 1920;if ke know nothing about biology he should be smart enough to shut up! but he think he is very smart and taht is why he make so many mistakes like the last time he let Erdogan attack the kurdes!

It's a pattern that is why he was so slow to close the borders completely with China and Europe!

He is not curious about science! he doesn't know what a bit is or a frequency or an enzyme.

I'm sure he cannot explain what a DC current is and an AC current.

 

RonaldJosephCote

  Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news BUT.....surprise.png                                           https://www.yahoo.com/news/warns-theres-no-evidence-coronavirus-111626171.html

EscherehcsE
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

  Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news BUT.....                                           https://www.yahoo.com/news/warns-theres-no-evidence-coronavirus-111626171.html

My opinion is that the article you linked has somewhat of a clickbait title. Basically, they don't know. The title should have stated that there's no evidence of a guarantee of immunity.

RonaldJosephCote

  Thank you...your probably right, I didn't read the whole thing.

Geodexic
llama44 wrote:

So... do you know why or how UV light damages a virus?

It's the same way it damages anything. It's not a matter 5 seconds does zero damage and 6 seconds kills a virus or cell... and you have to go through layers of human to get to the virus... and there are at least millions of individual viruses in the human.

I understand it's an interesting idea to you, but frankly just from how you're phrasing your posts you don't know the most fundamental things.

Sometime the simple idea is useful for the expert and they might suggest reboot for the better future.

DiogenesDue
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

   Maybe we should start a trophy thread for members who put "Tide" pods in their mouth......Its OK david......the President said we can do it.

...then this happened (have to watch until the end):

https://www.indiewire.com/2020/04/snl-brad-pitt-fauci-trump-1202227427/

DiogenesDue
wsswan wrote:

Don't forget chiggers. I hate them more than mosquitoes.

Ok, throw in the chiggers for free...

DiogenesDue
Phoenyx75 wrote:

Anyone have any theories as to -why- there's no guarantee of immunity even if you've gotten covid 19 and have overcome it once? I believe the answer may lie in part in the body being too weak to properly fight it off. It's like people whose immune systems are so weak that they need to live in a bubble their whole lives. 

 

One factor that even the mass media now recognizes as a probable factor is air pollution:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/opinions/covid-19-climate-change-air-pollution-sutter/index.html

 

Another factor that's much more controversial is that radio frequencies play a role, particularly the new 5G for cell phone networks. An article on that can be found here:

https://frankreport.com/2020/04/16/if-you-suggest-5g-link-youre-banned-or-arrested-yet-san-marino-the-first-country-fully-covered-by-5g-networks-has-highest-coronavirus-death-rate/

Here's my theory of why there's no guarantee of immunity after infection:

- Evolution exists (Don't buy it?  Read Elroch's thread and come back when you are done.)

- Dinosaurs dominated the earth for 175 million years

- Human beings have dominated the earth for, arguably, 10-15 thousand years

- Our species is not special, chosen, or the "appointed stewards" of the earth or the animal kingdom

- There's no guarantee that humanity will continue on, bounce back from threats by other evolved lifeforms, or anything else

- Humanity's randomly evolved brainpan size is not the end-all, be-all of evolution, and in fact we're on course to have the shortest run in "ruling the earth", which the added embarrassments of the facts that (A) we're also killing off all the other species as we go down, and (B) we're the cause of our own extinction event, which evolution has ironically allowed us to be fully aware of.

I already posted a link about the cell phone towers being burned in England, and the 5G rumors are out of hand.  That fear-mongering article fails to mention that the primary factor in San Marino's Covid-19 problems is that the country is wholly contained inside northern Italy, which is perhaps the worst possible place to be if you don't want to face infection.  San Marino is also tiny and densely packed with people, but their government resources are severely limited.  They don't need a military, they generally don't need big hospitals, they are a tourist economy.

As for 5G being rolled out there first, well, yeah...San Marino is a 60 square mile country with a big mountain in the middle of it.  I've been there, and San Marino is a cell phone company's dream in terms of easy and cheap rollout...and you might think "well, what does he know about mountinatops in Italy and whether they are good places for broadcast towers?".

Here's a photo of where I used to be stationed in Italy:

DiogenesDue
Phoenyx75 wrote:

Hey btickler. I'm a fan of the evolutionary theory, so no argument as to whether it exists from me. As to the 5G rumours out there, there are a fair amount of them. At this point, I'm only arguing that they could be a factor in weakening our immune systems. And yes, San Marino is wholly contained within Italy, but that doesn't change the fact that it's deaths per capita are a lot higher than even Italy's. The article points out another fact suggesting that 5G networks are playing a role as well:

**In Italy itself, Turin was the first city in Europe to have a 5G “edge cloud”. It’s the epicentre of the Italian outbreak, not the poorer regions in the south.**

I haven't been able to verify if this is true, but I definitely think it's something to look into. 

I would be willing to entertain the notion if other much more plausible explanations were not readily available, but until then this gets filed under "if you live near power cables, your brain gets scrambled over time" type stuff.  Fear producing coincidental causation. 

People are up in arms because they read stories that 5G uses "a new kind frequency that has never been used before", but the band 5G uses was just repurposed from other uses...it's not like nothing has ever operated in that band of frequencies before.  Car sensors also operate in this band, and if you go back decades, these bands have been used for military and space applications.  Not because they are too dangerous for general usage, but because the technology was just more expensive then.  Silicon-based stuff was not really able to do this, so operating in this range was done with gallium arsenide, which was at least an order of magnitude more expensive to produce back then.

People have this notion that "high frequency" means dangerous...I think it comes from the Hollywood tendency for things that are about to explode to whine with higher and higher pitch wink.png.  But a dog whistle is not going to explode your frontal lobes, it's just out of your hearing range.  There's no inherent increase in danger in high vs. low frequency broadcasts that I am aware of...

Finally, Bergamo seems to be more of the "epicenter" than Turin, and it's a 2-hour drive away, which includes passing through Milan which is much closer...so you can't even say that they are identifying Bergamo as a suburb of Turin.  The San Marino and Turin connections seem pretty backwards, trying to force fit the facts to a foregone conclusion.  You could just as easily make some argument for regional marinara sauce ingredients affecting people's infection rates happy.png.

DiogenesDue
Phoenyx75 wrote:

Interestingly, Bergamo also has a lot of 5G in it. A lot of people were protesting the continued expansion of 5G in Bergamo back in February. It's in Italian, but google can translate it to english:

https://bergamo.corriere.it/notizie/cronaca/20_febbraio_01/bergamo-completato-taglio-alberi-piazza-dante-pronta-cantiere-d95b283c-4503-11ea-9d28-c32ca6f6093f.shtml

Also, I agree with you that the frequencies that 5G will be using were being used by others like the military in the past. The main issue here is output. It's one thing to only have a little, another thing entirely to have a lot. Here's some maps of the spread from 2002-2003:

and then 2016-2017:

There has also been a study showing that there was a strong correlation between those who were closer to a cell phone tower and various health problems:

The map you posted is basically covering the entire western/first world (as would be expected for new technology), but there are hundreds of other "factors" that you could map that would have the same areas covered.  Does pizza delivery cause immune system problems?  Because the map profiles would be about the same wink.png.  More to the point...plane travel.  If you watch a time lapse of the outbreak's spread, it follows the same classic plane travel spread patterns that you can get from a $15 video game that simulates viral outbreaks, and the areas of heaviest infection will be the same as your map shows.  No 5G correlation required.

Your map also only shows the spread of 5G itself, not the usage of the 25-50gHz band in general.  The mm wave band of frequencies was in use long before 5G came along.  Do there need to continue to be studies of various technology's effects on human health?  Sure.  But there's no particular reason to think the 5G rollout is the cause of Covid-19 spreading slower or faster.

Also, I hesitate to mention this, but...those "symptoms" you listed would be overreported in first world countries and underreported elsewhere...you know, where people have hard lives and don't stop to think about whether they might be having some occasions of difficulty concentrating or feeling a loss of appetite.  Thus the phrase "first world problems".

Marie-AnneLiz

Full Dr. Osterholm: 'We're Missing The Mark In A Big Way Right Now' On Testing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toc0LaNQ7do

wsswan

Good point. I've heard that milk leads to drug addiction.

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