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Confused-psyduck

Well, Trump said he has proof it is but then did not provide any. Just like he said many things during this pandemic, and most of those turned out to be b.llsh.t .

I guess playing the blame game really is not important now, it Just serves as a diversion tactic more than anything. And this goes for everyone, I Don't care If it's China blaming the US or the US blaming China, it is only done for political purpose and helps in nothing to find a way to get rid of the virus.

If it turns out to be from a lab in Wuhan then well, it won't help for China's reputation which already got hit pretty hard during the pandemic. If it turns out to be somewhere else then so it is. 

DiogenesDue
congrandolor wrote:

More and more people are having doubts about the origin of the desease. What would happen if it is demonstrated that the virus was created in a Chinese lab?

There are still rumors, but US intelligence has agreed the virus was not engineered/modified (there would be telltale signs in the RNA strands, as I understand it), so the only remaining question is whether the virus "evolved" naturally (willfully guided or no) and then was released from a lab (accidentally or no)...but given the nature of the virus, it doesn't seem that logical to knowingly release a virus that you have no control over and that is not really guaranteed to spread anywhere outside of Wuhan.

If this were intentional/weaponized, why not release the virus somewhere far, far away from the lab where it was purportedly created instead of drawing attention to the virology lab?  So really the only thread of conspiracy theory left is that China was trying to weaponize it, and it got accidentally released before it should have.  But there's no reason this explanation would be more likely to have occurred than just the scenario where the lab was researching viruses in general, you know, as virology labs are designed to do, and someone got infected and it got released thereby.

That would all be *if* the virus even traces back to the lab...a link that is in no way established.  Currently, the earliest traceable path goes to the wet market, but there is some evidence that it did not start there because there are signs of earlier cases, so maybe a human being brought it to the wet market instead of it making some zoonotic jump from an infected animal.  This is all normal for tracing patient zero, and there's no reason to jump to conclusions unless you have an ideological agenda.

So, instead of people assuming it was done on purpose, maybe they should investigate without a pre-decided conclusion already in place wink.png.  

P.S. I am not assuming Congrandolor is doing this, this is a point for anyone that is eagerly sitting at home waiting for evidence that the Commies in China released the virus, knowing it would hurt them but hopeful it would hurt us more, which they have already decided is true.  Those kind of people always require a handy Boogeyman to direct all their fear and hate towards.  For lots of people worldwide, the US is their Boogeyman, and the trumped up rumors and conspiracy theories are just as bad...the virus was invented in Gitmo in a secret biological warfare lab so dangerous it can't be kept on US soil, using foreign political prisoners as guinea pigs, then given to an American cyclist and an Italian DJ to spread at the games in Wuhan.  It's absurd.  Everybody needs to cut out the BS and wait for real answers, and then be open to seeing the truth of those answers.

Strangemover

Perhaps wearing a tin foil hat rather than a mask would be the safest course of action? 

Chessiship

The goverement's going to spread it more anyway and the power of a conical tin-foil hat is going to ward the virus away

EscherehcsE
Strangemover wrote:

Perhaps wearing a tin foil hat rather than a mask would be the safest course of action? 

I wonder if you can find tin foil in the stores these days?

congrandolor
Strangemover wrote:

Perhaps wearing a tin foil hat rather than a mask would be the safest course of action? 

maybe wearing a scarf soaked in alcohol would be better, unless there is someone smoking close to you

Strangemover

All my scarves are soaked in alcohol anyway - it's just a side effect of my lifestyle. 

RonaldJosephCote

   I see cases are spiking in New Mexico...surprise.png..governor has ordered a total lockdown.

DiogenesDue

I found the media's various "protests are sweeping through California" headlines very misleading, since the turnout for these statewide organized protests even at the biggest rallies were in the (low) hundreds.  The protest in San Francisco was 150 people, which is just a regular Tuesday afternoon in SF complaining about some street name change wink.png...

Huntington Beach was the sole exception, which had seemingly little to do with the organized protests, they have been gathering there at the pier every day for a while now.  Surf city is just pissed off the beach is closed down.

They are just trying to dovetail this story with Michigan so later this week they can run some "protests rising up all over the country" storyline.

RonaldJosephCote

  I agree with your post.....both on the tactics & the desired result.

DiogenesDue

On the Michigan front:

https://news.yahoo.com/michigan-militia-puts-armed-protest-043435517.html

I have to say it is pretty stark, the contrast between protests where race is concerned...in Michigan protesters use open carry laws to go right into the capitol building and stand in the faces of police shouting at them sans masks (aren't people being arrested for "terror attacks" for spitting on people elsewhere?), and they get polite responses and tolerance.

When a predominantly African American protest occurs, they never even get to city hall/the capitol...there's a line of cops in riot gear with tear gas and barricades, even though there isn't a gun in sight among the protesters.

Something to ponder.

If I were the governor of Michigan I'd be introducing legislation to change the open carry laws to not allow for armed people to gather in numbers inside a government building.  It's insanity that the average government clerk walking around that day had to do their job while people with AR-15s are yelling at them and brandishing their weapons.  Even more insane when you realize that if a single one of those guys got within 100 yards of a schoolyard, a couple dozen police cars would be there in minutes to disarm and apprehend the individual.

Marie-AnneLiz
btickler a écrit :

On the Michigan front:

https://news.yahoo.com/michigan-militia-puts-armed-protest-043435517.html

I have to say it is pretty stark, the contrast between protests where race is concerned...in Michigan protesters use open carry laws to go right into the capitol building and stand in the faces of police shouting at them sans masks (aren't people being arrested for "terror attacks" for spitting on people elsewhere?), and they get polite responses and tolerance.

When a predominantly African American protest occurs, they never even get to city hall/the capitol...there's a line of cops in riot gear with tear gas and barricades, even though there isn't a gun in sight among the protesters.

Something to ponder.

If I were the governor of Michigan I'd be introducing a change to the open carry laws that does not allow for armed people to gather in numbers inside a government building.  It's insanity that the average government clerk walking around that day had to do their job while people with AR-15s are yelling at them and brandishing their weapons.  Even more insane when you realize that if a single one of those guys got within 100 yards of a schoolyard, a couple dozen police cars would be there in minutes to disarm and apprehend the individual.

In my country anyone with that kind of military-grade firearm weapons would  be arrested right away on site.

 

congrandolor

In every part of the world, I would say. Freedom to protest is a right, but carrying those machine guns to a protest is a joke. A bad one, certainly.

Marie-AnneLiz
congrandolor a écrit :

In every part of the world, I would say. Freedom to protest is a right, but carrying those machine guns to a protest is a joke. A bad one, certainly.

Well the intent is to intimidate! the peoples that are democratically elected!

So it's clear that it's not very democratic! 

I'm intimidated and i'm hiding behind my computer

Confused-psyduck
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
btickler a écrit :

On the Michigan front:

https://news.yahoo.com/michigan-militia-puts-armed-protest-043435517.html

I have to say it is pretty stark, the contrast between protests where race is concerned...in Michigan protesters use open carry laws to go right into the capitol building and stand in the faces of police shouting at them sans masks (aren't people being arrested for "terror attacks" for spitting on people elsewhere?), and they get polite responses and tolerance.

When a predominantly African American protest occurs, they never even get to city hall/the capitol...there's a line of cops in riot gear with tear gas and barricades, even though there isn't a gun in sight among the protesters.

Something to ponder.

If I were the governor of Michigan I'd be introducing a change to the open carry laws that does not allow for armed people to gather in numbers inside a government building.  It's insanity that the average government clerk walking around that day had to do their job while people with AR-15s are yelling at them and brandishing their weapons.  Even more insane when you realize that if a single one of those guys got within 100 yards of a schoolyard, a couple dozen police cars would be there in minutes to disarm and apprehend the individual.

In my country anyone with that kind of military-grade firearm weapons would  be arrested right away on site.

 

Same here, and I am thankful for that.

llama44

Guys, don't worry, in America it's not like anyone owns assault rifles. We only let people who are both uneducated and inbred buy them. If you stayed in school or didn't marry your sister then you're out of luck.

Oh wait... that's worse.

Marie-AnneLiz

White House Allows Fauci To Testify Before The Senate, But Not The House 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC_79_DpaxA

Former_mod_david

No more comments about gun ownership in the USA please - it's an incredibly political topic and not relevant to COVID-19 discussions.

llama44

Ok, sorry David.

This next story isn't about gun ownership even though a firearm is mentioned.

A city in Oklahoma took back a declaration requiring shoppers to wear face masks when employees were threatened with physical violence including one threat involving a firearm.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-city-ends-face-mask-rule-shoppers-after-store-employees-n1198736

wsswan

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