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Marie-AnneLiz
Confused-psyduck a écrit :

https://www.france24.com/en/20200521-half-of-canadians-fooled-by-covid-19-conspiracy-theories-study

 

France24 was credited as a reliable source of information by Marie-Anne Liz, so I guess this information this is not some so called "Chinese propaganda" as I was accused to do.

 

Although the survey was only made on 2000 people, which is not a lot for this kind of survey, it is still interesting to see that a country with "best journalism" has still a huge issue with misinformation. One number which is very interesting is that 26% of the people surveyed said that they believe the virus, I quote "was engineered as a bioweapon in a Chinese lab and released into the general population ". Are there some bad feelings towards China floating in the air?

One can still make a case for Chinese people believing in conspiracy theories, 95% of them watch TikTok all the time and are nationalist at heart, and the information the government provides can be "tampered with". But, I think we can also make a case on the fact that, at least during this pandemic, misinformation is king in the west, even in the USA and Canada who are bth countries who take pride in free and honest journalism.

Therefore, I still do not deny journalism is not great here (it sucks) and that Uighurs are imprisoned, people's rights lawyers too etc... However, maybe some of the people in this discussion could reflect on whether journalism is as impartial and as great as they think, for I believe that during this pandemic it has been shown quite clearly that not everything is perfect in that matter in western countries.

Yes, there is misinformation in China (and thanks to some people for blasting me with their links about HOW BAD IS CHINA) - I know misinformation is widespread here - but it turns out there is in the west too. And misinformation is bad anywhere it happens, and its influence and negative force is sadly heightened during this time of pandemic.

This is not a proof that MOST of our media are not among the best of the best it only show you that some peoples are uneducated or brainwashed by the right wing propaganda machine!

And it's the same every where!

Marie-AnneLiz
Confused-psyduck a écrit :

https://www.france24.com/en/20200521-half-of-canadians-fooled-by-covid-19-conspiracy-theories-study

 

France24 was credited as a reliable source of information by Marie-Anne Liz, so I guess this information this is not some so called "Chinese propaganda" as I was accused to do.

 

Although the survey was only made on 2000 people, which is not a lot for this kind of survey, it is still interesting to see that a country with "best journalism" has still a huge issue with misinformation. One number which is very interesting is that 26% of the people surveyed said that they believe the virus, I quote "was engineered as a bioweapon in a Chinese lab and released into the general population ". Are there some bad feelings towards China floating in the air?

One can still make a case for Chinese people believing in conspiracy theories, 95% of them watch TikTok all the time and are nationalist at heart, and the information the government provides can be "tampered with". But, I think we can also make a case on the fact that, at least during this pandemic, misinformation is king in the west, even in the USA and Canada who are bth countries who take pride in free and honest journalism.

Therefore, I still do not deny journalism is not great here (it sucks) and that Uighurs are imprisoned, people's rights lawyers too etc... However, maybe some of the people in this discussion could reflect on whether journalism is as impartial and as great as they think, for I believe that during this pandemic it has been shown quite clearly that not everything is perfect in that matter in western countries.

Yes, there is misinformation in China (and thanks to some people for blasting me with their links about HOW BAD IS CHINA) - I know misinformation is widespread here - but it turns out there is in the west too. And misinformation is bad anywhere it happens, and its influence and negative force is sadly heightened during this time of pandemic.

I didn't accuse you of anything,

I wanted to show some more facts that you forgot to tell us.

It was never meant to be personnal.

“They use lies and misinformation to fuel distrust in health authorities during a time of crisis which, depending on the theory being peddled, could lead to anti-Asian mistreatment, anti-vaccine sentiment, and an increased spread of the coronavirus due to the abandoning of protective social norms like physical distancing,”

"Conspiracy theory often is more psychologically pleasing and convenient [than reality] – it makes simpler sense than a complex phenomenon,”

“Its primal simplicity cuts through the noise and confusion and uncertainty that is the world on a normal day, but especially during a pandemic."

people are searching even more desperately for answers – ones that not only help make sense of what’s going on, but are easy to accept.

Marie-AnneLiz
Confused-psyduck a écrit :

https://www.france24.com/en/20200521-half-of-canadians-fooled-by-covid-19-conspiracy-theories-study

 

France24 was credited as a reliable source of information by Marie-Anne Liz, so I guess this information this is not some so called "Chinese propaganda" as I was accused to do.

 

Although the survey was only made on 2000 people, which is not a lot for this kind of survey, it is still interesting to see that a country with "best journalism" has still a huge issue with misinformation. One number which is very interesting is that 26% of the people surveyed said that they believe the virus, I quote "was engineered as a bioweapon in a Chinese lab and released into the general population ". Are there some bad feelings towards China floating in the air?

One can still make a case for Chinese people believing in conspiracy theories, 95% of them watch TikTok all the time and are nationalist at heart, and the information the government provides can be "tampered with". But, I think we can also make a case on the fact that, at least during this pandemic, misinformation is king in the west, even in the USA and Canada who are bth countries who take pride in free and honest journalism.

Therefore, I still do not deny journalism is not great here (it sucks) and that Uighurs are imprisoned, people's rights lawyers too etc... However, maybe some of the people in this discussion could reflect on whether journalism is as impartial and as great as they think, for I believe that during this pandemic it has been shown quite clearly that not everything is perfect in that matter in western countries.

Yes, there is misinformation in China (and thanks to some people for blasting me with their links about HOW BAD IS CHINA) - I know misinformation is widespread here - but it turns out there is in the west too. And misinformation is bad anywhere it happens, and its influence and negative force is sadly heightened during this time of pandemic.

“It's not unfair to say that, whatever one's views on that administration, the president and certain of his senior cabinet officials have promulgated conspiracy theories freely and knowingly, and long before this health crisis,” said Black.

Those in positions of power promoting these types of ideas, which otherwise tend to exist on the borders of society, helps make them more mainstream, explains Goldenberg. This essentially blurs the line between what is real and what is not.

“The effect is a serious destabilizing of how we used to understand conspiracy theories,” she said. “Conspiracy theories were always fringe, a little bit on the outside [of society].

“When you get people in the White House repeating these kinds of comments, it suddenly becomes less clear which side is the wild side and which side is the more secure and scientific side.”

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/why-people-are-drawn-to-covid-19-conspiracy-theories-1.4936176

Marie-AnneLiz
Confused-psyduck a écrit :

https://www.france24.com/en/20200521-half-of-canadians-fooled-by-covid-19-conspiracy-theories-study

 

France24 was credited as a reliable source of information by Marie-Anne Liz, so I guess this information this is not some so called "Chinese propaganda" as I was accused to do.

 

Although the survey was only made on 2000 people, which is not a lot for this kind of survey, it is still interesting to see that a country with "best journalism" has still a huge issue with misinformation. One number which is very interesting is that 26% of the people surveyed said that they believe the virus, I quote "was engineered as a bioweapon in a Chinese lab and released into the general population ". Are there some bad feelings towards China floating in the air?

One can still make a case for Chinese people believing in conspiracy theories, 95% of them watch TikTok all the time and are nationalist at heart, and the information the government provides can be "tampered with". But, I think we can also make a case on the fact that, at least during this pandemic, misinformation is king in the west, even in the USA and Canada who are bth countries who take pride in free and honest journalism.

Therefore, I still do not deny journalism is not great here (it sucks) and that Uighurs are imprisoned, people's rights lawyers too etc... However, maybe some of the people in this discussion could reflect on whether journalism is as impartial and as great as they think, for I believe that during this pandemic it has been shown quite clearly that not everything is perfect in that matter in western countries.

Yes, there is misinformation in China (and thanks to some people for blasting me with their links about HOW BAD IS CHINA) - I know misinformation is widespread here - but it turns out there is in the west too. And misinformation is bad anywhere it happens, and its influence and negative force is sadly heightened during this time of pandemic.

THE ROLE PLAYED BY SOCIAL MEDIA

Popular social media platforms have also played a large role in pulling conspiracy theories into the mainstream. Black points to the design features of various platforms like Facebook, YouTube and Twitter as helping to incubate conspiracy theories by allowing users to aggregate content from various sources into a single feed.

“Such platforms relativize the authority of information, making fringe sources seem as real and credible as legitimate ones,” he said. “You're getting a feed from some source, it could be the [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] or Health Canada, or it could be some marginal person on the corners of the internet who is pushing a conspiracy theory, but all information looks equally legitimate in social media spaces, it's just coming through your feed.”

Marie-AnneLiz
Confused-psyduck a écrit :

https://www.france24.com/en/20200521-half-of-canadians-fooled-by-covid-19-conspiracy-theories-study

 

France24 was credited as a reliable source of information by Marie-Anne Liz, so I guess this information this is not some so called "Chinese propaganda" as I was accused to do.

 

Although the survey was only made on 2000 people, which is not a lot for this kind of survey, it is still interesting to see that a country with "best journalism" has still a huge issue with misinformation. One number which is very interesting is that 26% of the people surveyed said that they believe the virus, I quote "was engineered as a bioweapon in a Chinese lab and released into the general population ". Are there some bad feelings towards China floating in the air?

One can still make a case for Chinese people believing in conspiracy theories, 95% of them watch TikTok all the time and are nationalist at heart, and the information the government provides can be "tampered with". But, I think we can also make a case on the fact that, at least during this pandemic, misinformation is king in the west, even in the USA and Canada who are bth countries who take pride in free and honest journalism.

Therefore, I still do not deny journalism is not great here (it sucks) and that Uighurs are imprisoned, people's rights lawyers too etc... However, maybe some of the people in this discussion could reflect on whether journalism is as impartial and as great as they think, for I believe that during this pandemic it has been shown quite clearly that not everything is perfect in that matter in western countries.

Yes, there is misinformation in China (and thanks to some people for blasting me with their links about HOW BAD IS CHINA) - I know misinformation is widespread here - but it turns out there is in the west too. And misinformation is bad anywhere it happens, and its influence and negative force is sadly heightened during this time of pandemic.

RESPONDING TO CONSPIRACY THEORIES

According to Black, the simplest solution to avoid promoting these theories is to do your homework using legitimate sources.

"Get off your social media platforms – go to a newspaper, go to a mainstream TV or radio broadcast,” he said. “If you're interested, go to fact-checking sites that are credible.

Btw CTV is a right wing media in Canada but it's not  extreme right wing,it's mostly very good quality!

RonaldJosephCote

Lets be careful out there....there's a lot of crack pot theories going around. frustrated.png           https://www.yahoo.com/news/a-pandemic-of-conspiracy-theories-spreads-across-the-internet-and-around-the-world-195903321.html

Confused-psyduck
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
Confused-psyduck a écrit :

https://www.france24.com/en/20200521-half-of-canadians-fooled-by-covid-19-conspiracy-theories-study

 

France24 was credited as a reliable source of information by Marie-Anne Liz, so I guess this information this is not some so called "Chinese propaganda" as I was accused to do.

 

Although the survey was only made on 2000 people, which is not a lot for this kind of survey, it is still interesting to see that a country with "best journalism" has still a huge issue with misinformation. One number which is very interesting is that 26% of the people surveyed said that they believe the virus, I quote "was engineered as a bioweapon in a Chinese lab and released into the general population ". Are there some bad feelings towards China floating in the air?

One can still make a case for Chinese people believing in conspiracy theories, 95% of them watch TikTok all the time and are nationalist at heart, and the information the government provides can be "tampered with". But, I think we can also make a case on the fact that, at least during this pandemic, misinformation is king in the west, even in the USA and Canada who are bth countries who take pride in free and honest journalism.

Therefore, I still do not deny journalism is not great here (it sucks) and that Uighurs are imprisoned, people's rights lawyers too etc... However, maybe some of the people in this discussion could reflect on whether journalism is as impartial and as great as they think, for I believe that during this pandemic it has been shown quite clearly that not everything is perfect in that matter in western countries.

Yes, there is misinformation in China (and thanks to some people for blasting me with their links about HOW BAD IS CHINA) - I know misinformation is widespread here - but it turns out there is in the west too. And misinformation is bad anywhere it happens, and its influence and negative force is sadly heightened during this time of pandemic.

This is not a proof that MOST of our media are not among the best of the best it only show you that some peoples are uneducated or brainwashed by the right wing propaganda machine!

And it's the same every where!

I am not going to quote all your messages, I will answer here.

First of all, yes, I know the facts or at least part of it which are reported by the Medias in the west. But, as I believe I have stated before, sometimes the information is transformed as to make it more spectacular than it is, and it makes me sad to see Medias never report the good side of things here. This is why I Usually leave out the bad (which everyone hears about) and provide the good (that nobody hears about) instead. I am not involved in politics and have no agenda whatsoever, I just believe that I can provide positive information too.

Yes, of Course there uneducated and brainwashed people, but they are also the fruit of a larger system to which Medias contribute. I have no part in politics (Why should I as a foreigner living in China anyway) but Don't you think Medias on both sides, left and right, are responsible for that? It seems far fetched that the right wing medias manage to "brainwash" so many people. My mom is a hard-leftist, and she proudly says to me that she reads articles from independant and trustworthy sources, but in the end half of what she reports to me turns out to be wrong. And she has had a good education. To me it feels like even the smarter people can be fed false information.

Finally, Yes I did not prove that Journalism in the west is bad, and it is indeed 10 times better than what we have here. However it shows that it is not flawless either, and that sadly it has also induced too many people in thinking that the wholr COVID19 thing has been created by China on purpose. I must admit that it makes me feel bad to see how some people have such strong prejudices towards the country I live in.

Marie-AnneLiz

How The Mayor Of NJ City Built One Of Best Contact Tracing Systems In U.S:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYe4gjbcQKM

Marie-AnneLiz
Confused-psyduck a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
Confused-psyduck a écrit :

https://www.france24.com/en/20200521-half-of-canadians-fooled-by-covid-19-conspiracy-theories-study

 

France24 was credited as a reliable source of information by Marie-Anne Liz, so I guess this information this is not some so called "Chinese propaganda" as I was accused to do.

 

Although the survey was only made on 2000 people, which is not a lot for this kind of survey, it is still interesting to see that a country with "best journalism" has still a huge issue with misinformation. One number which is very interesting is that 26% of the people surveyed said that they believe the virus, I quote "was engineered as a bioweapon in a Chinese lab and released into the general population ". Are there some bad feelings towards China floating in the air?

One can still make a case for Chinese people believing in conspiracy theories, 95% of them watch TikTok all the time and are nationalist at heart, and the information the government provides can be "tampered with". But, I think we can also make a case on the fact that, at least during this pandemic, misinformation is king in the west, even in the USA and Canada who are bth countries who take pride in free and honest journalism.

Therefore, I still do not deny journalism is not great here (it sucks) and that Uighurs are imprisoned, people's rights lawyers too etc... However, maybe some of the people in this discussion could reflect on whether journalism is as impartial and as great as they think, for I believe that during this pandemic it has been shown quite clearly that not everything is perfect in that matter in western countries.

Yes, there is misinformation in China (and thanks to some people for blasting me with their links about HOW BAD IS CHINA) - I know misinformation is widespread here - but it turns out there is in the west too. And misinformation is bad anywhere it happens, and its influence and negative force is sadly heightened during this time of pandemic.

This is not a proof that MOST of our media are not among the best of the best it only show you that some peoples are uneducated or brainwashed by the right wing propaganda machine!

And it's the same every where!

I am not going to quote all your messages, I will answer here.

First of all, yes, I know the facts or at least part of it which are reported by the Medias in the west. But, as I believe I have stated before, sometimes the information is transformed as to make it more spectacular than it is, and it makes me sad to see Medias never report the good side of things here. This is why I Usually leave out the bad (which everyone hears about) and provide the good (that nobody hears about) instead. I am not involved in politics and have no agenda whatsoever, I just believe that I can provide positive information too.

Yes, of Course there uneducated and brainwashed people, but they are also the fruit of a larger system to which Medias contribute. I have no part in politics (Why should I as a foreigner living in China anyway) but Don't you think Medias on both sides, left and right, are responsible for that? It seems far fetched that the right wing medias manage to "brainwash" so many people. My mom is a hard-leftist, and she proudly says to me that she reads articles from independant and trustworthy sources, but in the end half of what she reports to me turns out to be wrong. And she has had a good education. To me it feels like even the smarter people can be fed false information.

Finally, Yes I did not prove that Journalism in the west is bad, and it is indeed 10 times better than what we have here. However it shows that it is not flawless either, and that sadly it has also induced too many people in thinking that the wholr COVID19 thing has been created by China on purpose. I must admit that it makes me feel bad to see how some people have such strong prejudices towards the country I live in.

There is no such thing has left wing media in North America!

And no such thing has left wing political party!

Bernie is left wing but he is in minority....in a center to the right party.

Mainstream media (they are not left wing) are not racist like the right wing one.

Marie-AnneLiz

MIT Study: ‘Chaotic And Uncoordinated’ Reopening Of States Takes ‘Devastating Toll’ :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtgJLKn-bGY

Marie-AnneLiz
Confused-psyduck a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
Confused-psyduck a écrit :

https://www.france24.com/en/20200521-half-of-canadians-fooled-by-covid-19-conspiracy-theories-study

 

France24 was credited as a reliable source of information by Marie-Anne Liz, so I guess this information this is not some so called "Chinese propaganda" as I was accused to do.

 

Although the survey was only made on 2000 people, which is not a lot for this kind of survey, it is still interesting to see that a country with "best journalism" has still a huge issue with misinformation. One number which is very interesting is that 26% of the people surveyed said that they believe the virus, I quote "was engineered as a bioweapon in a Chinese lab and released into the general population ". Are there some bad feelings towards China floating in the air?

One can still make a case for Chinese people believing in conspiracy theories, 95% of them watch TikTok all the time and are nationalist at heart, and the information the government provides can be "tampered with". But, I think we can also make a case on the fact that, at least during this pandemic, misinformation is king in the west, even in the USA and Canada who are bth countries who take pride in free and honest journalism.

Therefore, I still do not deny journalism is not great here (it sucks) and that Uighurs are imprisoned, people's rights lawyers too etc... However, maybe some of the people in this discussion could reflect on whether journalism is as impartial and as great as they think, for I believe that during this pandemic it has been shown quite clearly that not everything is perfect in that matter in western countries.

Yes, there is misinformation in China (and thanks to some people for blasting me with their links about HOW BAD IS CHINA) - I know misinformation is widespread here - but it turns out there is in the west too. And misinformation is bad anywhere it happens, and its influence and negative force is sadly heightened during this time of pandemic.

This is not a proof that MOST of our media are not among the best of the best it only show you that some peoples are uneducated or brainwashed by the right wing propaganda machine!

And it's the same every where!

I am not going to quote all your messages, I will answer here.

First of all, yes, I know the facts or at least part of it which are reported by the Medias in the west. But, as I believe I have stated before, sometimes the information is transformed as to make it more spectacular than it is, and it makes me sad to see Medias never report the good side of things here. This is why I Usually leave out the bad (which everyone hears about) and provide the good (that nobody hears about) instead. I am not involved in politics and have no agenda whatsoever, I just believe that I can provide positive information too.

Yes, of Course there uneducated and brainwashed people, but they are also the fruit of a larger system to which Medias contribute. I have no part in politics (Why should I as a foreigner living in China anyway) but Don't you think Medias on both sides, left and right, are responsible for that? It seems far fetched that the right wing medias manage to "brainwash" so many people. My mom is a hard-leftist, and she proudly says to me that she reads articles from independant and trustworthy sources, but in the end half of what she reports to me turns out to be wrong. And she has had a good education. To me it feels like even the smarter people can be fed false information.

Finally, Yes I did not prove that Journalism in the west is bad, and it is indeed 10 times better than what we have here. However it shows that it is not flawless either, and that sadly it has also induced too many people in thinking that the wholr COVID19 thing has been created by China on purpose. I must admit that it makes me feel bad to see how some people have such strong prejudices towards the country I live in.

Watch the most popular right wing medias in the usa= it's 90% right wing propaganda.

No mainstream medias in the usa is even close to 5% of propaganda.

I must know i watch at least 8 mainstream medias from France to Australia to the UK to Canada and the USA and Switzerland etc etc since i was a teenager

Marie-AnneLiz

Sen. Brown On Lack Of Health And Hazard Pay For Frontline Workers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrhg7EUj28g

DiogenesDue

Ok, let's chill out on the media war front happy.png.  I think Psyduck has a point...journalists can strive for impartiality, but nobody's media outlet is perfect.  There's always people who feel that promoting the message they agree with is more important than journalistic integrity.  I will accept most new sources here if they at least give some kind of lip service to trying to be impartial, and if they are not redistributing sensationalistic garbage and partisan viewpoints for ratings. 

DiogenesDue

https://news.yahoo.com/answers-va-given-hydroxychloroquine-1-220636232.html

So, after the VA's own study was the first to come out and really show that Hydroxychloroquine was doing more harm than good, you would assume they would stop administering it, right?

Nope.  They are still prescribing it...turns out VA bought 6.3 million pills when the Trump administration was touting the drug, and now apparently they need to justify that purchase...

Witkrag
  • Cloroquine and its derivatives have been reported by some credible established medical sources to have a number of serious potential side effects including cardiac problems      e.g interference with heart rhythms.It was commonly used as an anti malarial drug in some.parts of  Africa where mosquitoes pose a risk

I know of one case where the user of the said drug developed A F

Was it mere coincidence? Who knows???

RonaldJosephCote

   The history of the V.A purchasing a lot of pills is because a lot of guys got malaria, lupis, and a couple of other things...can't remember.surprise.png

DiogenesDue
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

   The history of the V.A purchasing a lot of pills is because a lot of guys got malaria, lupis, and a couple of other things...can't remember.

I'm sure there are misinformed vets asking for the drug to treat Covid-19 and that's why hundreds are still getting it for that purpose...but those requests should be refused as a matter of policy.  

"Do you suffer from Covid-19?  Is your family not having picnics and birthdays every day like you see in this commercial?  Ask your doctor about Hydroxychloroquine!

Hydrochloroquine is not proven to be a treatment for Covid-19.  Some patients may experience heart failure after taking Hydorxychloroquine.  Blah blah cortical steroids.  May cause depression, shingles, Tourette's syndrome, or mad cow disease.  Side effects reported by 2 people in our clinical trials may include weight loss.  No, we are not just telling you this so you will take this drug.  Really."

Wolfbird

From the looks of things over the Memorial Day weekend, a good portion of the population is in denial about this pandemic. 

Witkrag

To protect citizens who act carefully to help control this virus the powers that be.in a number of countries should impose draconian regulations to protect the.public and health agencies who are battling to help those afflicted

There is a certain country.in Africa where regulations are in place to force people to comply with the lockdown

The police and the army are diligently.patrolling night and day to catch the defaulters.One of the requirements is that all persons have to wear MASKS.Maybe there is a little over enthusiasm. In the law enforcers actions but if there is serious default does the odd cracked skull matter as long as it makes people conform to sensible rules?

DiogenesDue
Witkrag wrote:

To protect citizens who act carefully to help control this virus the powers that be.in a number of countries should impose draconian regulations to protect the.public and health agencies who are battling to help those afflicted

There is a certain country.in Africa where regulations are in place to force people to comply with the lockdown

The police and the army are diligently.patrolling night and day to catch the defaulters.One of the requirements is that all persons have to wear MASKS.Maybe there is a little over enthusiasm. In the law enforcers actions but if there is serious default does the odd cracked skull matter as long as it makes people conform to sensible rules?

Cracked skulls should not happen regardless, unless law enforcement is defending itself.

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