Seems that covid is spreading slower in America last days, ¿are some places in lockdown yet? On the other hand, the number of cases is growing steadily in Europe.
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TumpaiTubo wrote:
Congrandolor: Cases in the U.S. are on the backside of the curve. Total deaths are still increasing, but if the trend holds we willnsee A slowly decreasing death count over the next months. The scary part for me comes from studying the 1918 Spanish Flu, and the similarities in the disease processes. The Spanish Flu was relatively mild for the first 6 months, and nobody took it serious. Less people died from the Spanish flu than Covid, in the same first five months. I also believe that our current therapeutics are working, and a vaccine will virtually eliminate this pandemic. In time we will know the answers, so in the meantime, my recommendation is to take it serious, be cautious about hygiene, make smart choices, and live life. The young and healthy need to protect our most vulnerable, while going on with their lives. Common sense.
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congrandolor wrote:
Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
congrandolor a écrit :
Russia announced they have the vaccine ready!
A vaccine that was not tested on thousands of peoples cannot be trusted!
...he's a blabbermouth Marie.
you hurt my feelings...
I think she was talking about Putin, but I could be wrong 
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TumpaiTubo wrote:
Confused_psyduck: Spend a few minutes researching a topic, before you interject. If you can find an article that proves a single college athlete has been hospitalized with Covid, you’d prove me wrong. Please try.
How about 150+ athletes? I'm pretty sure some must be hospitalized. But then I am sure you will claim some comorbidity in every case, overt or hidden.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g5p5jm/college-athletes-test-positive-for-coronavirus-after-voluntary-workouts-ncaa
You are free to have your opinion, and to explain it cogently as you did later on, but don't try to make your point using inflammatory claims.
Free-de-la-hoy2 wrote:
Blood sputums.
Bye.
TumpaiTubo wrote:
Confused_psyduck: Please quote my post where I contradict your last statement. I 100% believe that everyone can be infected, carry the disease, and spread the disease. I believe this disease is one of the most deadly in history, due to our population density. What confuses me, is the backwards logic utilized to lock down the healthy, instead of the sick. In what reality is it okay to quarantine healthy and low risk populations?
I would have if I had seen it, but I have reviewed our "discussion" and found no post where you contradicted what I said. Anyway, you said that no college athletes had been hospitalized, and you were proved wrong. So, maybe you believe that 100% can be infected, but that is weird you believed that college athletes could be infected bu not hospitalized.
TumpaiTubo wrote:
Congrandolor: Cases in the U.S. are on the backside of the curve (WE'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE). Total deaths are still increasing, but if the trend holds we willnsee A slowly decreasing death count over the next months (%-WISE ONLY). The scary part for me comes from studying the 1918 Spanish Flu, and the similarities in the disease processes. The Spanish Flu was relatively mild for the first 6 months, and nobody took it serious. Less people died from the Spanish flu than Covid, in the same first five months. I also believe that our current therapeutics are working, and a vaccine will virtually eliminate this pandemic (PROVIDED IT DOESNT MUTATE...LIKE THE SPANISH FLU DID IN THE FALL OF 1918). In time we will know the answers, so in the meantime, my recommendation is to take it serious, be cautious about hygiene, make smart choices, and live life. The young (WHO THEMSELVES ARE PROVING TO BE VULNERABLE) and healthy need to protect our most vulnerable, while going on with their lives. Common sense.
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TumpaiTubo wrote:
Confused_psyduck: Your post was not proof of hospitalization due to Covid. Even if we can agree that there was one, out of 5,000,000 cases, what do we gain? What is your point? I’ll spot you the one.
You're claiming there are 5 million college athletes "famous" enough to generate a news story about being hospitalized with Covid-19 such that we could dig it up? 'Cause I'm thinking that's a bit high 
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Nobody is disputing that younger people or people without other complications are just as much at risk of hospitalization or death. But they can spread it around just as easily. Let's just say it would be easier to support less restrictions if you didn't see twenty-somethings gathered up without masks all over the place...if people are too selfish, or intellectually challenged , to take some measures on their own for their own good and the good of everyone around them, then you need stronger enforcement.
Tell you what, you get the administration, and Fox News, , and radio talk shows, and right wing blogs, and QAnon conspiracy nuts to all stop promoting the attitude that taking measures against the virus is useless and overblown, or "hoaxes", or "blindly following science", and I'll stop supporting enforced restrictions by local and state governments .
TumpaiTubo wrote:
Ghostess: Fox News published two articles a month or so apart, and the last line of both very different articles contained the same sentence, “The Wuhan lab was attempting to synthesize a Coronavirus that cannot be cured.” I posted both of them on social media, but the mainstream media never picked it up. I believe we are on the same page. Time will tell.
Things that are not credible do not get picked up by news sources that don't have an agenda to serve by propagating them. Seems like common sense. Don't put out BS unless you have a strong motivation to push said BS as truth. Same is true of every news source. I don't watch Fox, and I don't watch MSNBC. People can argue that news sources that claim to remove bias are still slanted...but at least they are trying to maintain journalistic integrity, not blatantly shouting one side's agenda 24x7.
where ur logic goes glitch is...the apparent & seemingly C19-Free may not be all. asymptomatic ?...now wut ?
...and wearing a mask/clean hygiene is a wonderful way to be unselfish for the better of society. any boomer hippy knows that, right ?...uknow, the 'we' generation ?
I have an idea: let's take Chuck Norris blood to get the vaccine!
TumpaiTubo wrote:
Refusing to watch news because you disagree with the message, that seems a bit closed minded. I spend much more time watching CNN, Reuters, and other news sources, as compared to Fox, BECAUSE I already know what Fox News is going to say. Open your mind.
... and there are 5,000,000 total recorded Covid cases in the U.S., with only one potential college athlete ending up in the hospital due to Covid. One does not rise to any level of concern. Even if we use the 480,000 active college athletes number, it is still only .000002%. College athletes are not a risk group, and therefore should be allowed to go about their lives. Only a government trying to oppress and control its people, quarantines the healthy.
I don't have to watch Fox News on my own, I get more than enough of it any time I visit anyone over the age of 60 come dinnertime. And it's just as insipid every single time. Refusing to watch channels that pretend to present news when they are mostly just presenting their opinions *about* the news is not really close minded.
And again, you failed to grasp my point. There are plenty of hospitalized college athletes who simply are not newsworthy...or by "athlete" did you mean only the famous ones? Or perhaps only college sports with TV contracts? In any case, your 1 in 5 million is a ridiculous straw man.
As for whether kids in college towns and dorms need to worry, the answer is yes, and not just to protect others. Permanent lung capacity reduction for the rest of your life is not something you want to risk at twenty-something, even if your odds are long.
has a/o here ever looked outta car window...and just when u thought the car next to u was moving ?...it was actually YOU who wuz !
well, thats kinda how i see US/T's ideology. one side claims the other side is moving to the extreme when actually it is THEM who's moving more distant. the other side is pretty much holding still.
ideology is highly emotional. and u know what happens when a irresistible force meets a immoveable object lol !
TumpaiTubo wrote:
I love it when personal opinion becomes evidence.
Easy question: What percentage of college athletes have been hospitalized due to Covid?
That's good, since that is exactly what you are doing.
Easy answer: *not* 1 in 5 million. It's your claim. The burden of proof is yours. If you want to continue to make that claim here, back it up and do your own homework.
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TumpaiTubo a écrit :
I love it when personal opinion becomes evidence.
Easy question: What percentage of college athletes have been hospitalized due to Covid?
Although a lot is still unknown about the possible long-term health effects of coronavirus, there is evidence that even young, healthy people will sometimes get very sick and might have lingering health problems, such as heart, lung and cognitive issues.
Feeney, a healthy college athlete with no preexisting conditions, ended up in the ER because of trouble breathing.
“Now we are dealing with possible heart issues!” she said in the post. “He is still experiencing additional symptoms and his blood work is indicating additional problems.”
Many other were affected in a very serious way at the same school!
“The whole point of my Facebook post is because in Missouri, where we live, the state is not taking this as seriously as they should,” Rucker told the Indianapolis Star on Monday. “With everything Brady is going through and has been struggling through, it has been infuriating to me that people are not taking this seriously and not wearing masks.”
Aug 13, 2020
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TumpaiTubo a écrit :
I love it when personal opinion becomes evidence.
Easy question: What percentage of college athletes have been hospitalized due to Covid?
A study by the University of Frankford in Germany recently found that 75 percent of people studied who had recovered from coronavirus had abnormal heart findings, according to Hackensack Meridian Health.
Dr. Eugene Chung, chair of the American College of Cardiology’s Sports and Exercise Council, said it’s believed COVID-19 can cause arrhythmias in the heart, affect the heart muscles by causing inflammation, which can lead to myocarditis, and cause blood clotting that elevates the risk of heart attacks.
Aug 13, 2020
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TumpaiTubo a écrit :
I love it when personal opinion becomes evidence.
Easy question: What percentage of college athletes have been hospitalized due to Covid?
Boston Red Sox pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez, 27, listed at 6-foot-2 and 231 pounds, has been shut down for the season after recovering from COVID but experiencing myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart that affects the heart muscle and electrical system and can reduce the heart’s ability to pump blood and cause abnormal heart rhythms. Rodriguez said last week that his doctors told him that 10 to 20 percent of people who have had COVID-19 also have been diagnosed with myocarditis.
Chung said COVID-19 can affect the heart even in asymptomatic patients.
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TumpaiTubo a écrit :
I love it when personal opinion becomes evidence.
Easy question: What percentage of college athletes have been hospitalized due to Covid?
Asthma is common among athletes, even those performing at the highest level of their sports. A 2016 research study by the University of Western Australia found that 8 percent of Olympic athletes have asthma, the same percentage as the general U.S. population.
The CDC’s website classifies obesity as a body mass index of 31 or higher. For the University of North Carolina’s 23 offensive linemen on the roster, the average height and weight is 6-foot-4, 298 pounds, which is a 36.3 BMI according to the CDC’s calculator. This would put them in a higher risk group for coronavirus complications than most of their teammates.
Any man or woman that fits the CDC’s definition of obese, or has any of other preexisting conditions, could be at an increased risk despite their standing as an NCAA or professional athlete.
weve worked ourselves into this. now. how do we get outta it ? i mean lifes (C19) gone where there arent any forms. but i guess thats what makes life life. when all the forms are known life starts to die, right ? you, me, the bumblebee.
i just feel we need a panoramic view of this whole thing to figure it out. cuz running the nat'l debt up to unsustainable levels izza bandaid. and letting dummies mass-gather party in the name of freedom is the wound. we can pay now or pay later. guess it'll be later...once again.
Now, Marie-AnnLiz, you and I have argued before, but I thank you for taking the time to search for articles when I did not have the time to do so.
TumpaiTubo, no animosity here, but we have now co-existed with COVID19 for more than half a year, and all statistics point towards the fact that everyone can be infected.