Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

What is it you are trying to prove though? Yes, maybe most people that die from COVID19 have pre-existing health conditions, but the one that kills is the virus.. 

I´ve heard that the labs which are developing vaccines won´t have legal responsibility for posible side-effects. In my opinion, that just feed conspiracies and anti-vaccine people. It´s bad.

Im thinking that if the companies that r developing vaccines do have legal liability for adverse side effects, and in normal circumstances they would, it would cause delays lasting years.

Apparently the risk/reward calculations have leaned towards moving forward now.

trust me. C-19 isnt going anywhere...anytime soon. and if it mutates before a cheezy 50% vaccine comes out ?...then look out.

The spanish flu took mosta its fatalities after it mutated in the Fall of 1918. up til then ppl were pretty confident that things were getting better....and then kapow.

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The horrific scale of the 1918 influenza pandemic—known as the Spanish Flu—is hard to fathom. The virus infected 500 million people worldwide and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims—that's more than all of the soldiers and civilians killed during WWI combined. 

While the global pandemic lasted for two years, a significant number of deaths were packed into three especially cruel months in the fall of 1918. Historians now believe that the fatal severity of the Spanish flu’s “second wave” was caused by a mutated virus spread by wartime troop movements.

https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence#:~:text=Historians%20now%20believe%20that%20the,spread%20by%20wartime%20troop%20movements.&text=When%20the%20Spanish%20flu%20first,highly%20contagious%20and%20virulent%20strain.

Yeah, somehow it seems unemployment is on the rise everywhere as people are being laid off though. Anyway, vacancies have to be filled by people for unemployment to go down, your logic does not really add up.

In the UK the government furlough scheme ends in October when unemployment issues are expected to rear their heads. Yesterday was the last day of the 'eat out to help out' scheme whereby on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday anybody dining out received effectively a 1/2 price meal subsidised by the government. This has been an unqualified success in terms of restoring consumer confidence and boosting the hospitality industry - many establishments have seen growth vs last year for the month. Its impact on the spread of the virus remains to be seen but numbers of cases are holding steady/decreasing at present. This week universities and schools re-open so again we wait and see the impact of this. 

me too i'm good but what if they force mandatory vaccines seemed like the mandatory masks law worked out swell for the government 

C19 has come down to love (humanitarian) or money (economy).

...kinda like e/t else. 

They won't round people up and tie them down or anything, so the ignorant masses will be safe, even if everyone else will not be due to said ignorance.  If you are worried about side effects, do your research and wait a *reasonable* period of time.  There will be more than one vaccine to choose from eventually.

The measles is pretty much kept going at this point purely by anti-vaxxer ignorance.

It is understandable the hurry of the governments to approve vaccines in order to the world going back to normality.

On the other hand, the less a vaccine is tested, the less reliable it will be for people.

For instance, any of you would accept to take the Russian vaccine right now? I wouldn't.

I am pretty sure that the Russian and Chinese companies working on making a vaccine do not expect to reach Western markets. They do not need to anyway, the Chinese market alone is huge and most people will be proud to get a Chinese (a Russian one should do as well) vaccine instead of an American one. Plenty of poorer countries and allies of Russia/China will order their vaccines too. They probably do not care if you, or me or an American does not want to get injected with their vaccine.

Hi Toxic,

Isn't your account "somewhat related to" your old Toxic account, that one that was already blocked on this thread?

Consider that a rhetorical question, since you are now blocked .

https://news.yahoo.com/3-charts-show-people-around-225031434.html

So there is this study that backs up my claim. I did not expect so many Russians to have doubts about a vaccine, but I guess the anti-gov movement is getting bigger and trust is declining. I am not surprised about China though.. people all think the same which is that the Chinese produced vaccine will be effective. That is not surprising, with the US-China war of words, Chinese people seem to have become even more "patriotic" and inclined in showing the might and international clout of their country. 

In a way I guess that it is a Good thing they all trust the Chinese gov. and Companies to provide a vaccine, however such uniformity also underlines some issues..

It seems that in our western countries the anti-vaxx community, or at least the percentage of people that does not trust governments and pharmaceutical companies is growing. I do not recall that the last time a vaccine was in the making that people were so against it. 

I would say it is probably because there seems to be quite a number of people that believes the virus is a hoax, and that subsequently do not see what good being vaccinated could bring.

I am no expert so I do not know what percentage of the population has to be vaccinated for a virus to disappear, but my guts tell me we are not on the right track.

What a coincidence, the CDC has just issued a "save the date" for a possible vaccine release on Nov. 1st, days before the election.  What do you want to bet that this gets exploited for the entire election cycle, and then mysteriously the vaccine is delayed/not ready for prime time?

Let me be clear: I´m not talking about politics when I say I don´t trust in Russian vaccine. I wouldn´t trust in any vaccine, wherever it comes from, which has not been tested enough. I believe in science, I believe in vaccine, I think anti-vaccine people is stupid, but I also think this "patriotic" thing about what country gets the vaccine first, no matter what test they leave out to get it, is just disgusting. The world should work together to find the cure to this disease.

Or it could be "ready" for nov 1st but only in very small quantity and it will  probably be a crappy vaccine with 20% of  efficiency or who know how how bad like 90% of all those rushed vaccine will be...(that was what an expert said yesterday on radio canada.

I guess you are joking, but I am afraid schizophrenia and vaccines are not compatible. I however also wish there would be a cure for it. It seems it can be treated though, something like 15 years ago a member of my family was diagnosed with it, but they are fine as long as they take the prescribed medicine.

looks like that one guy might be busted.

if u click ur heels 3x's nov 1 will be here. like as fast as cookie monster goes thru oreos. num !