Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)
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Nov 25, 2020
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#1641
More fun when there was 200,000 cases in total instead of per day
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- Age-specific IFRs increased from 0.1% and below for individuals under 40 years to greater than 5% among individuals over 80 years.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/207273/covid-19-deaths-infection-fatality-ratio-about/
UnclePeet wrote:
There is also nothing that could have been done to prevent further outbreak. A second wave was predicted while the first was still going on and worst case estimates were almost 2 million dead.
Nothing you or anyone else would have done would have stopped it once it was in a country like America with a HUGE population and many many densely packed major cities.
Nice revisionist history, but the administration claimed that keeping the deaths "under 100K" would be the goal, and then later said keeping deaths under 200K would be the goal. The 2 million number was bandied about as an estimate for a *complete lack of any response* whatsoever...
The current trend puts us at 300K to 400K dead by the time Biden puts his hand on the bible. There is plenty that could have been done. We could and should have had 100% testing by now, on demand. The technology was there, and is there now. There are a massive number of people sitting around doing nothing who could have been trained to do testing in the many months that have gone by. If you think that "nothing could have been done", then your reasoning and imagination are quite lacking 
. Think WWII type of mobilization and measures.
llama45 wrote:
UnclePeet wrote:
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- Age-specific IFRs increased from 0.1% and below for individuals under 40 years to greater than 5% among individuals over 80 years.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/207273/covid-19-deaths-infection-fatality-ratio-about/
Title of the link you posted:
COVID-19 deaths: Infection fatality ratio is about 1% says new reportEither you just want to argue or you really don’t understand...either way it’s not worth it.
Last time:
.....YES....I can READ the title....the rate is 1%
And that’s for ALL age groups.
My original post, that you commented on, I spoke about how that number is LOWER for CERTAIN age groups.
UnclePeet wrote:
The infection rate of a virus with a 99.8% survivability for anyone under 50 is meaningless
Clearly not, unless you just don't care at all about 230K+ people being dead. Perhaps the notion that infected people infect other people in turn has escaped you.
btickler wrote:
UnclePeet wrote:
The infection rate of a virus with a 99.8% survivability for anyone under 50 is meaningless
Clearly not, unless you just don't care at all about 230K+ people being dead. Perhaps the notion that infected people infect other people in turn has escaped you.
If you are at risk then YOU quarantine. YOU take measures to protect yourself.
Dont shut down the entire economy because a tiny % of the population POSSIBLY could die from this.
Chuck Grassley, old as dirt, has it and he’s fine.
America is an unhealthy country. Obesity, drug use, diabetes and god knows what else.
If certain people were allergic to the sun we wouldn’t blanket the atmosphere to block it out for those people. Those people that were at risk would be expected to take precautions.
Ive been working since day 1 in New York surrounded by it. I saw 10,000 gather shoulder to shoulder to protest one form of idiocy after another and nobody said a word....so obviously people aren’t too concerned.
llama45 wrote:
Some of those who survive suffer life long effects.
"However, new research is now suggesting that there may be long-term neurologic consequences in those who survive COVID infections, including more than seven million Americans and another 27 million people worldwide. "
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-hidden-long-term-cognitive-effects-of-covid-2020100821133
“Research suggesting” means nothing
llama45 wrote:
News articles tend to be like that.
By the way, your last few links have been exactly that: research and news articles.
Not really no.
Using confirmed cases and deaths to come up with a mortality rate is not the same as predicting that, in the future, things MIGHT happen based on certain things happening now.
llama45 wrote:
UnclePeet wrote:
btickler wrote:
UnclePeet wrote:
The infection rate of a virus with a 99.8% survivability for anyone under 50 is meaningless
Clearly not, unless you just don't care at all about 230K+ people being dead. Perhaps the notion that infected people infect other people in turn has escaped you.
If you are at risk then YOU quarantine. YOU take measures to protect yourself.
Dont shut down the entire economy because a tiny % of the population POSSIBLY could die from this.
Chuck Grassley, old as dirt, has it and he’s fine.
America is an unhealthy country. Obesity, drug use, diabetes and god knows what else.
If certain people were allergic to the sun we wouldn’t blanket the atmosphere to block it out for those people. Those people that were at risk would be expected to take precautions.
Ive been working since day 1 in New York surrounded by it. I saw 10,000 gather shoulder to shoulder to protest one form of idiocy after another and nobody said a word....so obviously people aren’t too concerned.
Mandating mask wearing is not shutting down the economy.
Testing for anyone who needs it is not shutting down the economy.
Pretending COVID is a hoax and suggesting non-cures is not leadership.
Maybe that’s why masks weren’t originally mandated
The same reason why the president was called a xenophobe for wanting to close the border during a pandemic.
Certain people weren’t thinking clearly.
Nov 25, 2020
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#1651
UnclePeet wrote:
Dont shut down the entire economy because a tiny % of the population POSSIBLY could die from this.
No-one's arguing for shutting down the ENTIRE economy: it's targeted lockdowns in hotspots. Unfortunately, if you let your entire country become a hotspot, then yeah, I guess shutting down your entire country might become necessary.
A "tiny %" is not "POSSIBLY" going to die: a % WILL die. Whether that % is "tiny" or not is one of the discussion points, but clearly you don't think it's worth trying to protect them: that's the same lack of empathy and concern for others that's come from the current leadership, and why it's gotten as bad as it has.
UnclePeet wrote:
If you are at risk then YOU quarantine. YOU take measures to protect yourself.
Dont shut down the entire economy because a tiny % of the population POSSIBLY could die from this.
Chuck Grassley, old as dirt, has it and he’s fine.
America is an unhealthy country. Obesity, drug use, diabetes and god knows what else.
If certain people were allergic to the sun we wouldn’t blanket the atmosphere to block it out for those people. Those people that were at risk would be expected to take precautions.
Ive been working since day 1 in New York surrounded by it. I saw 10,000 gather shoulder to shoulder to protest one form of idiocy after another and nobody said a word....so obviously people aren’t too concerned.
You said infection rate is meaningless. That is *obviously* incorrect. Everything else you posted is what-about-ism and strawmanning. Nobody posited anything you were just railing against.
That being said, I am sure that during the bubonic plague, as the carts were wheeling away the piles of the dead, there were people just like you saying "not my problem, business as usual".
Nov 25, 2020
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#1653
Strangemover wrote:
UK chancellor has been speaking today... estimated cost for Coronavirus measures this year is £280 billion + an estimated £73 billion next year. The summary of his speech is we are f***ed for the next 4 years or so, unemployment will rise, taxes will rise etc. Good times.
Just requoting what I posted an hour or so ago before this conversation got US-centric. The economy is knackered here in UK. It will take years to recover.
Nobody is going to follow a mask mandate get real. You can’t even stop these people from gathering in the thousands to rob the local liquor store or burn down the Walgreens....
Keep schools open, keep businesses open, quarantine the vulnerable
Strangemover wrote:
Strangemover wrote:
UK chancellor has been speaking today... estimated cost for Coronavirus measures this year is £280 billion + an estimated £73 billion next year. The summary of his speech is we are f***ed for the next 4 years or so, unemployment will rise, taxes will rise etc. Good times.
Just requoting what I posted an hour or so ago before this conversation got US-centric. The economy is knackered here in UK. It will take years to recover.
Money is an abstraction. A construct. If the world ceased to accept money tomorrow, people would still have to go on, and they would. If the whole world suffers an economic downturn, then in relative terms, it's not as bad as you are making out. Thus the DOW breaking 30,000. Relative.
Nov 25, 2020
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#1657
UnclePeet wrote:
Keep schools open, keep businesses open, quarantine the vulnerable
Fill up your hospital capacity and increase the mortality rate because of that - yeah!
llama45 wrote:
You're right, some armed protesters were so determined to not take care of themselves or their community by wearing masks that they shut down city hall. (Of course protesting mask wearing is much more noble than protesting human death, and property damage is much worse than actual murder i.e. Kyle Rittenhouse).
But for all the government's failings, at least they can stop anti American plots, such as the kidnapping of governors.
Oh my GOODNESS! Someone SHUT DOWN CITY HALL! LETS ALL RUN AND HIDE!
I mean certainly that’s worse than the BILLIONS in damage from spoiled rotten leftists running AMOK right?
I mean one group STOOD AROUND and SCARED people who are so weak it makes my stomach turn.
The other groups murdered police, burned buildings and assaulted citizens and will now cost the taxpayer BILLIONS in the damages they caused.
Yeah that sure sounds equal.
UnclePeet wrote:
Nobody is going to follow a mask mandate get real. You can’t even stop these people from gathering in the thousands to rob the local liquor store or burn down the Walgreens....
Those are not the people that will not follow a mask mandate. As you well know. It's the Braveheart "you'll never take my freedom" schmucks that will ignore it. Even moreso now that they "lost" and need to save face in their eyes.
Caedrel wrote:
UnclePeet wrote:
Keep schools open, keep businesses open, quarantine the vulnerable
Fill up your hospital capacity and increase the mortality rate because of that - yeah!
Well the head of the CDC says that schools are the safest place for kids to be and doctor Fauci also wants schools open.
Listen to the experts right?