Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

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Pat_Zurr

Marie,

I admire your passion and the fact you stand up for what you believe in, but there are those like myself who do not like Fauci nor believe every word that comes from his mouth is gospel.  Since you follow him, haven't you read any articles that state he was wrong or misled anyone?  I believe some of the issues of his misleading comments were even in some of the publications which are considered to lean to the left. 

Honestly, I could care less who Fauci works for and I hear is working for President BIden now.  I just want a man leading the charge that I can trustand Fauci is not that man in my opinion. 

I am simply stating facts from a science site about the documented things he has done while you quote his work environment from the New York Times....perhaps the most fair and balanced newspapers in the world.  Believe what you want.   Thanks for your comments.

DiogenesDue
Tonya_Harding wrote:

Without any hostility nor any mockery, I want to say, this thread is vain, when one has to post within the narrow spaces left by Chess.com's ToS censorship, plus the OP's censorship.

The pandemic and all what is done everywhere about it, and the consequences, do cover all sorts of areas of life, such as health, politics, economy, various beliefs, hygiene, security, freedom, etc.

If we can only talk about the impact of the Covid-19 on little side things, such as hobbies and what, frankly, I don't see the point of it. We are then not at all talking about that pandemic and it's consequences, but do mere blah blah blah.

I seize the occasion here, to tell, that while I agree with the principle of moderation, especially against verbal abuses and unfair discriminations (racism, sexism, etc), Chess.com simply forbids us to talk about the pandemic and all the consequences on our lives.

Maybe Chess.com could open a special thread, where, exceptionally, some politics and such, would be allowed, under active monitoring of mods preventing and treating what could go "too far".

Now, I do realize, some will claim, a Chess website forum is probably not meant to have talks about things such as pandemics. I do disagree with that. In these new times "never seen before", rules should be adjusted, and adjusted again, until a satisfying balance is found.

This forum, is for many, a place where we can talk about things, to people who share an interrest for the noble art of Chess. Nowadays, that means something.

That's all I wanted to say here. peace to all, and may you and your beloved ones evade the virus.

It's not in vain, clearly...it's the only Covid thread that has not been locked over time.  If you want to discuss Covid with politics and religion being fair game, there are clubs you can join where the forums are not moderated.

I will admit it's sad that there's more barking dogs trying to post their pet theories than people legitimately trying to share Covid experiences or real information.  But it's still valuable to have a public thread about it, for the same reasons you pointed out.  

Pat_Zurr

Okay, you win btickler and David.  Thanks I enjoyed the discussion.

David
Pat_Zurr wrote:

I am simply stating [conspiracy theories] from a [pseudo-]science site about the documented things he has done while you quote his work environment [from one of the most the respected publications in the world, the] New York Times....perhaps the most fair and balanced newspapers in the world.  Believe what you want.   Thanks for your comments.

Fixed that for you.

Marie-AnneLiz

Marie-AnneLiz
Pat_Zurr a écrit :

Okay, you win btickler and David.  Thanks I enjoyed the discussion.

You are welcome and I really wish that you get well soon wink.png I really feel bad to see you in this situation! ( you need a real and strong hero too). wink.png

XxDarkKnight402xX
btickler wrote:
XxDarkKnight402xX wrote:
btickler wrote:

Notes to nobody in particular...

- I realize this thread is now the last of the Mohicans, but I will be continuing to block people per the criteria in the OP.  

- Don't respond to political jabs with purely political replies.  You can always say something like "not true [link]" and bring it back around to the outbreak.  Help keep the thread from drifting into the land of Facebook forwarders .

Notes to somebodies in particular:

- I haven't seen the posts in here for the past couple days, so ExploringWA, I will belatedly tell you that you've down to your last strike.  And that's only because I wiped the slate clean now that this is the only viable Covid thread to post in.  If you really need to know exactly what for, I'll be happy to point out the problems, but I don't think you need me to tell you.

- Watch the meme-ish content , Pat_Zurr.  If you don't have any real input for the thread you won't be posting here.  I am not setting a specific criteria, but let's just say that I only expect to see a meme or mocking YouTube video once in a while, lightly sprinkled amongst a solid body of actual contributions. 

I'm glad that forum got locked tbh, will be migrating here, probably won't be as active however. This forum is actually informational, so will be reading more than writing this time : )

Yes, unfortunately better moderated also = less exciting/controversial/adversarial most of the time .  But we need a lot more of that around here.

I think less controversial but very informational is better, definitely what the world as a whole needs right now. Will be following along here.

Marie-AnneLiz

No need to talk about the pass;the worst is coming soon! and it will be very ugly!

The new strains are coming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5QF9PFFaY8

1c6O-1

ugly situation, don't know about it tongue.png

DiogenesDue
Tonya_Harding wrote:

C'mon, like you did not know, all elements here overstep on each other: the pandemic, the various lockdowns and other such measures, the vaccines, the decisions, the fly bans and border crossing bans... all these things cannot be discussed without mentioning governemental decisions and political figures (representing their political trends), nor would it be serious to let beliefs aside when so many lives are at stake, then even more jobs and businesses. I won't enter any details to prove my point: ToS forbids. Which makes any debate clearly impossible.

You have overestimated what is considered a politics or religious discussion in terms of moderation.  As laid out early in the thread, you can talk about things the government is doing during the outbreak, the same way you can post a thread and say that you got a parking ticket and had to go to city hall and pay a fine, and even that you hate tickets, etc..  That's not politics.  Government does not equal politics.  That's often an American mistake wink.png.  The founding fathers didn't lay out the 2 party system, nor anything about lobbyists, ad campaigns, etc. these are all constructs outside of government, and that's what politics is...the manipulation of government from the outside. 

You can say you think actions/policies are good or bad in the context of the pandemic, you can make factual statements about something a government did regarding the outbreak...what you can't do is talk about political parties, left vs. right, blame a side for causing XYZ, say that a governments policies are right/wrong based on your political leanings, etc.

So, is has been fine for people to say things here like:  "The administration has stopped the CDC from doing any more press conferences, I think that is a bad policy because it will cause XYZ during the pandemic".  What you can't do is then add "Typical Trump-ian response.", or "now the radical socialists on the left will do ABC", etc.

Same for religion, I should point out.  I have never seen a thread locked simply for mentioning that a religion exists, or even for correcting some misinformation, like "that religion is actually allowed to eat the thing you just said they can't eat".  What you can't do is evangelize, take sides, cast aspersions, etc.

The ToS is talking about serious discussions centered on politics and/or religion, or jabs about politics or religion that are "weaponized"...that kind of stuff.  Because when those occur, eventually they will go off track into a flame war no matter how well they begin.  Chess.com made a decision to not wait until the flame war to step in...which is their call on their own privately owned forums.  It stifles discussion, but avoids a lot more flame wars than waiting for a a topic to boil up and over.  Personally, I prefer allowing more topic leeway, but consistently and immediately coming down like a hammer on transgressions.  But that would pretty much require full time paid and trained moderators working in 3 shifts, so that's not happening wink.png.

DiogenesDue
Tonya_Harding wrote:
btickler a écrit :

You have failed to understand what is considered a politics or religious discussion in terms of moderation.[...]

No! and no sir! There is nothing such to "understand". This is so seriously something to be known, no one can know, for the ToS does remain vague and silent about the details of it all.

And as I experienced already in the past, one can get warned or muted for "politics", without any explanation from moderators or anyone, about which bit of some long text(s) was faulty.

I even received once, a PM from a moderator, warning me, and telling me, among other things, that I posted something "slighlty political" (sic) and never received any further info about what that was after asking.

So, Mr "I understood it all", you begin a long reply by such gross rudeness, it goes without saying, I did not bother read what was writen after it. if you care to be read, watch your language.

I'm furious now.

Lol, I had already changed it in my first edit wink.png.  I have been dealing with a lot of trolls lately.  And I'm aware some have labelled you as such, but you haven't trolled here, so I changed it to something less stark.

You aren't going to get a consistent experience right now, because the site just added a whole slew of new moderators, but it will firm up over time.

DiogenesDue
Tonya_Harding wrote:

I see,  you're saying it'd take so many mods and all. But you forget to mention the 3 years studies and the harsh exams we, posters, would need to take, in order to be only able to naviguate between all what is "no no", incorrect, forbidden, "not for kids", belongs to an other Chess website, cause more global warming, could be political... and know all the words and terms we can't use anymore, because they can be used in some rude or crude way (like the bottom of a bottle in French...) and some crazy bot would freak out, and give us the red banner of blood and fire so we understand we are endangering the future of Mankind.

Well, I definitely get that the chess.com filters are not 100% consistent, and I can imagine it's even more frustrating if you are using translation of any kind. 

DiogenesDue
zaythihanaywin2 wrote:

i not see Myanmar 🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/myanmar/

DiogenesDue

Here's why you shouldn't get your news from conspiracy sites:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wisconsin-vaccine-saboteur-steven-brandenburg-193736813.html

This guy thinks he's in The Truman Show.

XxDarkKnight402xX
Tonya_Harding wrote:

I don't care about any conspiracy theories (or websites). There is enough material in all what is already all officially proved and published to make one wonder where the diversity of opinions is gone, and how come we're fed with incomplete reports on events, and why so many unproven things are presented as "facts".

I gave Historical, unarguable examples of what I'm saying: got censored for it.

I asked how come no debunking was made and presented to the public, to oppose the so troubling video evidences presented by the "Trump clan" about possible mass frauds in the US presidential elections: got censored for that.

And also got warned not to "do it again" or I'd get muted.

I'm sorry, but no, I don't understand that. I rate myself as an educated person who does value classical and academical knowledge and education, and here we are, somewhere between 1984 and Brave New World.

 

that's because you deserve no platform frankly.

RangerAPF04
Wow, that is pretty ridiculous darknight, if you don’t like the first amendment then take a hike to China, stop yapping about people not having the same opinion as you
RangerAPF04
Sorry but I serious despite it when people merely say “shut up,” instead of logically and calmly explaining their reasons for disagreement.. Has it never occurred to you that people on the opposite side of the isle might disagree just as strongly with your claims as you do with theirs? Every single time throughout history that one party has simply silenced all opposing voices, much damage has been done; it results in either side simply cramming down what they believe to be true when they have power, just as happened in Dante’s time.
duntcare

stanford medical school said 2 vaccines are testing with 94% and 95% sucess rate through 3rd stage, johnson johnson vaccine stage 1, and i forgot 

duntcare

i know but when u edit i haave to reload the page like 500 times due to new html update 

XxDarkKnight402xX
Tonya_Harding wrote:
XxDarkKnight402xX a écrit :

that's because you deserve no platform frankly.

I deserve it certainly more than someone who can't set a capital letter at the beginning of a sentence and does write one single line after taking a long integral quote. Not to mention, if wrong or right, you don't bother sustaining or explaning what you're saying.

Here we go, the intellectual superiority argument based on grammar in an online chess forum. Not going to participate thanks. And in response to your statement that relates to this topic, not other tangential gibberish, vaccine efficacy has been proven without a doubt. 

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