Difference Between Knowledge and Understanding

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Lol. Going a little bit too far now, no?

 

Are you proposing that humans would be better off without language?

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Maybe)) but not without language but without a 'sloppy' or ambiguous language. Ideally we'd want a language where it would be as difficult as possible to butcher up our meanings

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So like as I was saying in ancient Greek the word for knowledge is 'episteme' , which also is the ancient Greek word for understanding. And you can see in Plato's and Aristotle's dialogues and especially in Plato's Theaetetus that the three different types of knowledge seem to be one

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An ancient greek said: With semantics we can twist and turn every question until it becomes nonsense. Then our opponent will get tired, and say that we are right.

A modern greek said: With semantics we can talk about our economic crisis without taking any action to solve the problem. Then other countries will get tired to hear it, so they will pay our debts.

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Although Plato does think knowledge is different from understanding especially in his Republic so it's not clear either but the point is the ideal language should be as clear and concise as possible

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YoungPatzer wrote:

An ancient greek said: With semantics we can twist and turn every question until it becomes nonsense. Then our opponent will get tired, and say that we are right.

A modern greek said: With semantics we can talk about our economic crisis without taking any action to solve the problem. Then other countries will get tired to hear it, so they will pay our debts.

But the question is do they know how to pay back

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And anyways you don't pay back others' debt but only your own debt

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Language is malleable, and only as "sloppy" as human intelligence.

 

Misunderstandings will always happen because people are different and aren't all equally witty. It's manufacturing variation, you see.

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kkl10 wrote:

Language is malleable, and only as sloppy as human's intelligence.

 

Misunderstandings will always happen because people are different and aren't all equally intelligent.

Yes sadly so I say violence will always happen, but we've gotta try to control this natural tragedy from within by authoring the best language possible

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Understanding that it is snowing means that you are no longer focused on the snow angels and Frosty. Rather, you are cognizant of the expenses governments will bear keeping the roads clear, the heartbreak of bad drivers who must deal with crushed steel, and the additional challenges faced by the homeless.

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Language is not the problem.

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True. The only universal language is mathematics.

(money unfortunately being the true measure of anyone's philosophy in this less than idealistic world. But I digress)

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najdorf96 wrote:

Indeed. X, your first example is ruled out because technically, you understand by rubbing two sticks it will cause heat thereby implying that you had prior knowledge and not an absence of it.

Not true big difference!

I understand rubbing 2 sticks together will cause heat.

However, I do not know what 2 sticks I need to use.

I don't know the proper force needed to be applyed to the sticks to cause this heat etc.

I have the understanding with out the knowing.

I have seen people on TV for example.

They understand rubbing 2 sticks will cause a fire.

However, they never get a fire started lol.

They simply do not know the correct approach.

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if you understand something, it means you stand under it backwards, like before it was over your head but now it's reversed, you all should know that.

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In terms of the moral law you understand that this law is common knowledge (by using your imagination to see a priori this so called kingdom of ends)

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So again you know the law when someone brings it out in you and you understand that everyone else knows it too, as rational creatures that you imagine everyone to be like you

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Hence knowledge is particular and understanding is general (common or having relation with an other)

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So you understand there is a ladder of beauty, bodies for the soul, soul for the laws, and laws for their own sake or beauty's sake

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Your understanding grows with experience

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As you acquire new concepts for your imagination

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