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This is one of the comments on that YouTube video to save yall some time: "This youtube video frames modern science as “sorcery” via misdirection, then spins a sweeping conspiracy (Jesuits/Freemasons/NASA) to claim heliocentrism, gravity, evolution, and the Big Bang were engineered to undermine Scripture. It leans on guilt-by-association, cherry-picked quotes, and moral language (“occult,” “deception”) while largely dodging actual measurements (e.g., Foucault pendulum, stellar parallax, GPS/relativity, satellite orbits, lunar laser ranging) that independently confirm our models. It presents a false choice—Bible vs. science—uses intuition (“trust your senses”) over instruments, and treats symbolism and motives as proof. In short: a compelling story built on confirmation bias and identity appeals, not on testable, converging evidence."

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OneThousandEightHundred18 wrote:

This is one of the comments on that YouTube video to save yall some time: "This youtube video frames modern science as “sorcery” via misdirection, then spins a sweeping conspiracy (Jesuits/Freemasons/NASA) to claim heliocentrism, gravity, evolution, and the Big Bang were engineered to undermine Scripture. It leans on guilt-by-association, cherry-picked quotes, and moral language (“occult,” “deception”) while largely dodging actual measurements (., Foucault pendulum, stellar parallax, GPS/relativity, satellite orbits, lunar laser ranging) that independently confirm our models. It presents a false choice—Bible vs. science—uses intuition (“trust your senses”) over instruments, and treats symbolism and motives as proof. In short: a compelling story built on confirmation bias and identity appeals, not on testable, converging evidence."

I’m just going to look it up and hope it’s not that.

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It is.

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That is the sort of drivel noodles likes, unfortunately. Nothing that is worth watching.

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OneThousandEightHundred18 wrote:

It is.

I regret to report you were right.

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Elroch wrote:

That is the sort of drivel noodles likes, unfortunately. Nothing that is worth watching.

There's some evidence that AI can be used to encourage people to accept authority. I don't know if Noodles believes his stuff or if he's acting and it's strategic.

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countless sources out there OTEH18

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Who was Hermes Trismegistus ?

You guys really believe all the mythological/occult gods/goddesses that permeate Heliocentrism was a "random" accident !wink.png

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@noodles2112, are you willing to ever consider the facts of what people can see with their eyes any night, or do you need to distract yourself with irrelevancies for psychological protection?

Here is one fact that is trivial to understand with a correct understanding of the nature of the Earth, but impossible to explain with your position, @noodles2112.

The Moon is always the same way up when you see it in the Northern hemisphere (eg US or Europe) and always the other way up when you see it in the Southern hemisphere (eg Australia or New Zealand).

The reason the Moon looks the other way up to antipodeans is simple: they are the other way up! On a flat Earth, this simply could not happen. It would have to be the same way up everywhere, in the same way as that everyone in a room sees a picture on the wall the same way up, regardless of where they are on the floor, because they are all the same way up.

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That's a good point. (My wife tells me that you can fit people with a pair of image inverting glasses and, after a couple of days, they see everything the right way up. (I would not allow myself to be experimented on in such a way.)

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That sounds a very interesting experiment! I am surprised the brain can rewire that quickly.

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"are you willing to ever consider the facts of what people can see with their eyes any night, or do you need to distract yourself with irrelevancies for psychological protection?" Elroch 

if the earth were indeed blasting around myriad speeds & directions there would be No Zodiac constellations dating back 1000's of years - the stars would necessarily be Helter-Skelter everyday/night. 

"The reason the Moon looks the other way up to antipodeans is simple: they are the other way up! On a flat Earth, this simply could not happen. It would have to be the same way up everywhere, in the same way as that everyone in a room sees a picture on the wall the same way up, regardless of where they are on the floor, because they are all the same way up." Elroch

place the picture on a ceiling facing downward (like the moon) those all around will observe it much differently - up/down/sideways etc. 

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"are you willing to ever consider the facts of what people can see with their eyes any night, or do you need to distract yourself with irrelevancies for psychological protection?" Elroch

if the earth were indeed blasting around myriad speeds & directions there would be No Zodiac constellations dating back 1000's of years - the stars would necessarily be Helter-Skelter everyday/night.

This is an error. Firstly, the orbit of the Earth does not move it away from the Sun, so the orbit is irrelevant to the general appearance of the celestial sphere - surely that is obvious?

The Sun only moves extremely slowly relative to most other stars in the sky, so the constellations change very slowly. The Sun and other visible stars have relative speeds of the order of 10 km/s. The distance to the nearest star is about 40 trillion km. This would take over a 100,000 years at that speed. So only very slow changes in relative positions.

"The reason the Moon looks the other way up to antipodeans is simple: they are the other way up! On a flat Earth, this simply could not happen. It would have to be the same way up everywhere, in the same way as that everyone in a room sees a picture on the wall the same way up, regardless of where they are on the floor, because they are all the same way up." Elroch

place the picture on a ceiling facing downward (like the moon) those all around will observe it much differently - up/down/sideways etc.

First, well done for actually engaging your brain. But the Moon is never directly overhead unless you are very close to the equator. There is a clear direction of "up" from the Moon to the pole of the sky - near Polaris in the Northern hemisphere, the point in the sky that is always exactly due North. Of course in the Southern hemisphere, you can never see the North pole of the sky, but the sky rotates around the Southern pole of the sky, the stationary point that is always due South. This makes no sense to a pancake Earth even without the issue of the Moon.

You could also look at what way up the Moon is when it rises and sets - you can do this relative to the horizon. On a pancake Earth all observers would share the same horizon (a comical falsehood), and it is certainly impossible that Americans see the Moon rising and setting one way up, and Australians see it rising and setting upside down.

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I am aware of the millions, billions, trillions of miles ,"lightyears" away theory - only those at Nasa can see - and they have plenty of pretty pictures to prove it wink.png

of course objects/things above appear lower the further distant they are from the observer until they become no longer observable - like clouds in the distance that appear to be level with the "horizon" despite being miles high in the sky .

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I am aware of the millions, billions, trillions of miles ,"lightyears" away theory - only those at Nasa can see - and they have plenty of pretty pictures to prove it

of course objects/things above appear lower the further distant they are from the observer until they become no longer observable - like clouds in the distance that appear to be level with the "horizon" despite being miles high in the sky .

Noodles, light years are real and legitimate units of measurement.

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indeed necessary to "negate observation" of the observable fixed constellations .

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He's gonna tell us the speed of light is a lie next because to our senses it appears "instant" 🙈

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I am aware of the millions, billions, trillions of miles ,"lightyears" away theory - only those at Nasa can see - and they have plenty of pretty pictures to prove it

No.

The distance to stars can be measured using parallax. This involves very advanced geometry - the sort learnt by 13 year olds. when they study the trigonometry of triangles. The method was first suggested about 350 years ago, and the first successful measurement was definitely NOT made by NASA, but by Thomas Henderson - a Scottish astronomer - in South Africa, nearly 200 years ago (in 1832-38), over 120 years before NASA was created (in 1958). Two German astronomers, one working in Estonia, another in Kalinigrad, were also among those making the earliest measurements.

About 100 stars were near enough to have their distances measured by the start of the 20th century (still 50 years until NASA gets formed), the large majority by European astronomers.

NASA has done superb science since its formation, but a lot was done before its formation in 1958!

Year Astronomer(s) Country Star(s) Location(s)
1833 Thomas Henderson UK Alpha Centauri Royal Observatory, Cape of Good Hope, South Africa
1837 Friedrich G. W. von Struve Germany/Russia Vega (Alpha Lyrae) Dorpat Observatory, Estonia
1838 Friedrich W. Bessel Germany 61 Cygni Königsberg Observatory, Germany
1885 David Gill & W. L. Elkin UK & USA Multiple southern (e.g., Alpha Crucis, Beta Centauri) Royal Observatory, Cape of Good Hope, South Africa; Yale Observatory, USA
1892 Charles Pritchard UK Multiple (photographic) Oxford University Observatory, UK
1892 Georg Auwers Germany Multiple (~20 stars) Berlin Observatory, Germany
1896 Kuffner Observatory team Austria Multiple (~16 by 1910, started pre-1900) Kuffner Observatory, Vienna, Austria
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according to heliocentrism & its "beginning" via the big bang - you are already traveling 186,000 miles per second - the speed of light - or somewhere in that vicinity OTEH18

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according to heliocentrism & its "beginning" via the big bang - you are already traveling 186,000 miles per second - the speed of light - or somewhere in that vicinity OTEH18

Noodles, there’s no way any credible scientific theory has a gaping hole in the middle which all the scientists know but won’t tell. And I think you might need to recheck your calculations.