Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

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Jarhold wrote:

Human experience is punctuated by unforeseen events beyond our control. For philosophy, the notion of chance presents a challenge. Should we consider chance as an illusion that reason will eventually dispel, or as an irreducible reality that resists all rational explanation ?

Smile and let happiness do the rest.

Randomness is about as explicable as everything else.

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if you could see inside my head - you'd see that black & white is red !

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Guys... Why is this still going on? All you gotta do is look it up: True randomness would mean something happening without any cause, which is impossible since everything has a cause. What we call "random" is really just our inability to track all the determining factors, like a coin flip that's actually determined by force and spin, not chance. If the universe follows deterministic laws, then randomness is just unpredictability, not true causelessness.

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#49 mostly true, also, even if we can track all the variables, some systems are just so CHAOTIC that we can not accurately predict with the level of precision of measurements we can get, also most things referred to as random in slang are just chaotic. One of the only things that might be fundamentally actually random is some things in quantum physics like particle decay. Also, this is the main argument against free will
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True randomness does exist.

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Only in specific quantum things though
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To be fair, I do believe in causality for 99.9% of everything. I do agree when humans can't explain something having a cause it feels like the word random fits as a substitute for the mystery. I like the question, Elroch.

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Jarhold wrote:

Human experience is punctuated by unforeseen events beyond our control. For philosophy, the notion of chance presents a challenge. Should we consider chance as an illusion that reason will eventually dispel, or as an irreducible reality that resists all rational explanation ?

Smile and let happiness do the rest.

It's a reality. I don't think it's irreducible though.

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A 1/2 pie chart could be shown as a circle with a line going through. As one of those spin wheels you can find on google may have real randomness, real life may not be true randomness. For example,there is a 1/52 chance to pickup a certain card from a normal casino deck. What would you believe, 52 cards, all predetermined, which would you get? Also, flipping a coin. 50/50, exept it depends on how you throw it, what angle, which shows that some things are not actually random. A wheel online chooses completely randomized, which then asks- how?
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The only way for a digital process to produce random events is by accessing a true random external source. So it probably does that. I'm not convinced by temperature fluctuations however, since they are likely to contain trends. Some effort has to be used to identify a truly random source.

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google loon rebranded starlink -

go figure !

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repackage - relabel - resell -

not random at all -

or is it ?

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It has a random chance of it.

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This thing is so random

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nothing new under the sun .

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#50
So in your explanation, true randomness can be defined as an outcome we are physically unable to predict or find a reason for, when we still know there IS a reason and it IS technically predictable? So, essentially, randomness is defined by the limitations of our technologies and observational ability? Consider this: Imagine a very big box that extends in all directions—with earth at the center. Imagine that, given the amount of time from the beginning of the universe to the end of it, some object traveling the speed of light (that started at Earth) will not be able to reach the walls of this box. Humans, not matter how hard we try, will never touch this box—imagine that as a fact. What I described is a practical infinity, or a physical infinity, but we still know that the ends of the box do exist, and that they are a measurable distance from the earth. So, I suppose what YOU described would be a practical randomness, a physical randomness, but this does not denote that true randomness actually EXISTS.
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Off Topic seems close to random sometimes.

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the trick is - learning to think "outside-the-box" -

or ball -

if you will !

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so long as you reside on the ball -

the bowlers have you !

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the trick is - learning to think "outside-the-box"

BURST !! ...one for noodles !

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