Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

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Can anyone prove they have 1000's of satellites in so-called outer space? And please don't post a link to a plethora of NASA cartoon animations of satellites wink.png

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It's like airplanes. You can't prove they can fly to someone whose mind is not able to cope with the possibility.

However, it is so simple to confirm that the ISS orbits the Earth at 5 miles per second (and has done so for 20 years) that it is pathological not to accept such a simple fact. Of course, understanding this makes it not so surprising that there are thousands of other satellites.

It is of course absurd to believe that 44 countries have spent billions of dollars pretending to launch satellites. The simpler truth is that some people are just, to be blunt, too stupid to accept the fact. [This is not a rash conclusion - it is reached after them ignoring all of the evidence repeatedly].

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Yes of course, a very thin atmosphere consisting of molecules expelled from the Sun, I suppose. I believe they're molecular at the Sun's surface and not as hot as we might imagine. A surface temperature of 2 - 3000 degrees springs to mind but it may be a false memory. I haven't studied it or read about it for years. I'll Google it now.

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5778 degrees. Faulty memory

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Like for the thermosphere, the Solar atmosphere is very hot. Likewise the solar wind (around 1 million Kelvin).  Expertise beyond mine is needed to explain that.

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I vaguely remember reading about the Solar wind years ago too. I have a feeling that just as the Earth has tectonic movements causing friction and the production of great heat, emerging in the form of volcanos, maybe the Sun has an equivalent, causing temperatures so high that incredibly hot, gaseous eruptions occur. But if the solar winds are the equivalent of the Earth's thermosphere, they aren't warmed by an external source and they are probably 1000 miles above the surface. It may be a compressive effect. Compression could conceivably be caused by fast rotation and encountering something that greatly restricts their passage. Or perhaps even magnetic effects.

Something just occurred to me. If the Sun's atmosphere conducts electricity, if electric charge can be produced by solar storms and if the atmosphere rotates fast in a strong magnetic field, something like that would do it. I'll Google solar winds. But not before breakfast.

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Yes, there are charged particles and magnetic fields. It's the details that are more complex.

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The ISS and the so-called space walks have been shown to be a charade via using NASA's own official footages. I am surprised you still believe in such fantastical nonsense. And where is your proof of satellites. You are once again comparing them to airplanes like you did with the a blasting into oblivion ball earth. 

That is NOT science. That is something called cognitive dissonance/confirmation bias. 

You are putting the horse before the cart and claiming that is proof the cart actually pulls the horse. 

One cannot feel the plane travel at 500 mph, therefore, one cannot feel the earth spin at 1000 mph nor feel it travel at 67,000 mph etc. etc. etc. 

That is NOT science. That is called pseudoscience. 

The fact remains heliocentrism has Never been proven. It is simply a generally accepted theory. That is why believers in heliocentrism perpetually(infinitelywink.png) debate theories with theories. 

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Elroch wrote:

Yes, there are charged particles and magnetic fields. It's the details that are more complex.


Anyone, really, can guess the rough outline, as I did, because it was difficult to imagine anything else being able to cause temperatures so high. I couldn't see physical reasons being anywhere near sufficient so there was only one alternative.

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<<You are putting the horse before the cart and claiming that is proof the cart actually pulls the horse.>>

To be honest, I wouldn't use a horse to push a cart. Elephants do that sort of thing more willingly: but not horses. grin

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What was the only alternative Optimissed? 

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Electromagnetism produces more heat even than tygxc bombs.

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I see. So where does electromagnetism derive/reside? 

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Sun's magnetic field.

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Ah, just googled it. Apparently the heat production in the solar wind is caused by magnetic turbulence, created by fluctuations on the Sun's surface.

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The sun is alleged to be 93 million miles away. How is that possible? Or is that just another heliocentric theory?

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Between you and me, if you get a number 3 bus out of Wigan Bus Station, it takes you round near the Heinz baked beans factory and you can just catch a glimpse of the model Sun they always use for photos. It's in a barn in a field but the solar wind blew a hole in the roof and you can just see it. It'll do a complete circle cos it's the Kitt Green Circular, which comes past our house in both directions at once.

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https://moovitapp.com/index/en-gb/public_transportation-line-3-North_West-2105-1832474-67535914-0

I have to say, that map's rubbish. They've got Pemberton where Lamberhead Green really is and Gidlow is about a mile North of where it's shown. That's right out in the countryside, in reality. You probably won't find it. That seems to be a case of slippage of geography, due to a gradually increasing misunderstanding as to where some of the old communities really were. Wigan was originally The Union of Wigan, which was a union of small townships and villages in and around the River Douglas Valley, about 12 or 13 miles from Manchester and 16 or 17 from Liverpool. "Douglas" means, I think, "dark and still", referring to where the Douglas meanders around in lowland, surrounded on all sides by hills. No-one knew that Wigan actually existed in late Roman times, probably due to the hills. They knew before that, though.

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noodles2112 wrote:

The sun is alleged to be 93 million miles away. How is that possible? Or is that just another heliocentric theory?

It is impossible for you to comprehend that. It is also impossible for you to comprehend that the second nearest star (after the Sun) is nearly 300,000 times further, that the Andromeda galaxy is the best part of another million times further, and that there are galaxies thousands of times further.

The other direction, down through cells to molecules and atoms to particles is also impossible for you to understand. You should just deny the world's existence, as revenge for it being so big and small.

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noodles2112 wrote:

The ISS and the so-called space walks have been shown to be a charade via using NASA's own official footages. I am surprised you still believe in such fantastical nonsense. And where is your proof of satellites. You are once again comparing them to airplanes like you did with the a blasting into oblivion ball earth. 

That is NOT science. That is something called cognitive dissonance/confirmation bias. 

You are putting the horse before the cart and claiming that is proof the cart actually pulls the horse. 

One cannot feel the plane travel at 500 mph, therefore, one cannot feel the earth spin at 1000 mph nor feel it travel at 67,000 mph etc. etc. etc. 

That is NOT science. That is called pseudoscience. 

The fact remains heliocentrism has Never been proven. It is simply a generally accepted theory. That is why believers in heliocentrism perpetually(infinitely) debate theories with theories. 

It's also only a theory that you have a funtioning brain inside your head and the only way to prove it would be to crack open your skull and take a look.  I for one would pay to witness that but I'd be afraid I'd get sucked in by the vacuum.