Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

TR is proportional to the optimism in eacha us...saying that the randomness thingy isnt objective. itsa extension of our own consciousness...and a good excuse for ppl who needa reason for not getting a/t done in life.   lol !

Festerthetester - you lack understanding. Heliocentrism was derived via imagination first and foremost then the math was made to fit with those imaginations. It really is very simple yet appears too complex for you to grasp. 

If you say that you look up and observe the sun 400 times larger than the moon you are not only a liar but beyond imbecilic!

Looking up at the sun might be where your problems began ...

Here's a little sight test for you.  Hold your arm outstretched and extend your thumb.  Now place that thumb in the same sight path as a person a hundred feet away.  Do you notice your thumb just grew to six feet tall or did the person shrink to the size of your thumb.

What don't you understand about perspective?

Perhaps if you could put aside your belief that the sun and moon are the same distance from the earth it may become clearer.

For a longer lesson try reading about celestial navigation, a method of finding the way of travelling around the world that has been successfully used for hundreds of years.  Now tell me how that could be on your domed flat earth.  It might take some time.  I can wait.

Note that heliocentrism is NOT a hypothesis that was verified. It is a CONCLUSION. The scientific hypothesis that became a theory (i.e. established as true) when tested was Newton's Law of Gravitation. A very simple, very general law expressed in one simple equation - the gravitational force law.

Assuming this law, observations of the movement of planets made it possible to INFER the facts that the planets all orbit the Sun and that moons orbit planets (just one for Earth, but now 92 known moons for Jupiter. Wow). Given the mass and instantaneous velocity for all the bodies (inferred from the observations), the entire movement of every object in the Solar System for the future comes from that single equation of Newton's. And here it is for noodles:

Not bad for a 300 year old theory with one small equation

[Footnote - for precision over long periods, a small correction due to relativistic effects needs to be made for the sole case of Mercury].

Seriously?  For noodles?  Did you just meet him?  Are you not aware he has a sign on his brain that says exit only?  You are not going to convince him even that there is no dome much less anything as complicated as gravity.

And his reply to me, as usual, will be a claim that I am the one who is deluded.

Well, you already know Newton's law of gravitation!

noodles has a fatally flawed understanding of the process by which we gain knowledge of the real world. It is true the only beneficiaries of explaining this are others - he is incurable.

I just looked at my finger and it subtends the same angle as a house across the street. You seem to have no understanding of a very simple fact.

https://www.google.com/search?q=subtend

Simple. Just look at the where these navigations departed and the destinations and apply those to the flat earth map. One can easily circumnavigate the entire face of the earth east/west but not north/south. That is why international flight never traverses over the alleged Antarctic continent despite it being the shortest flight path in the southern hemisphere. Globe apologists erroneously claim the reason for this is that it is too cold to fly over yet at the same time claim people travel etc. there all the time. That is just one of the numerous contradictions globe apologists must adhere to in order to believe in the spinning space ball.

As far as perception goes, that is one law that globe apologists must also ignore. 

Simply look at the clouds in the sky. Those just above and those far away in the distance. Does not the clouds in the distance appear to be level with the horizon? Yes they do. Why is that? According to globe believers that is due to the curvature and not perception for if they admit that is due to perception than they must also understand the locale sun/moon must also adhere to the same principle i.e. the law of perception. 

Heliocentrism throws the law of perception out the window, for they must do that in order to negate what we all see every singly day. 

Go back to the doors in a long hallway or street posts. the doors/posts are exactly the same height/size yet those further away from the observer appear to get smaller. Is that due to some curvature in the hallway or the street? Of course not. That is due to the law of perspective. 

You cannot have it both ways and claim the law of perspective ONLY works with doors in a hallway or with street posts/lights. It also works with planes, clouds the sun/moon/stars etc. 

That is why globe believers have a difficult time with FE is because they do not understand the law of perspective. They will often say ridiculous things like "if the earth were flat one could see Hawaii from California or Japan" or "if the earth be flat then the sun would light up the entire earth 24/7" and of course we have the ultimate globe belief of "the reason ships disappear is because they sink under/over the curvature of the earth. That "Juvenile Logic" simply does not work and shows that one simply does not understand the law of perspective or they simply choose to ignore it or both. 

I don't understand how a wave function can collapse, for the maths holds relatively sound for measuring and prediction.  Is it really the case that it's based on some kind of subjectivity? That's appears to me to be bunkum. I apologize to those for whom these things are well trodden cattle paths but they are completely new to me.

Elroch -with the scientific technology you and many others are so proud of, I ask you, why have they not used it to put an end to this controversial subject? 

The reason is simple. They can't. 

Why not just show the sun as it appears and then slowly zoom in with a telescope/telescopic camera with a special lens that buffers the light? People do that with the stars/planets all the time? 

Try and locate that little super simple experiment/test and see what you can find. I cannot locate that simple test anywhere. 

That would end the debate right there and prove beyond any doubt that the sun is not close but many millions of miles away.

How did heliocentric scientists come to their "understanding" of how far the sun/moon stars/planets are from earth?

Obviously not through observations because one does not observe trillions of miles/light years away, nor does one observe a sun 400 times larger than the moon or a rotating moon etc. etc. so they had to use another method i.e. Imagination must have come first. There is no other way. 

There are numerous simple ways NASA/Gov't could end the controversy once and for all. They don't do it because they can't do it. It's that simple!

Dear Noodles,

Considering the things you base your beliefs on it is clear that no matter what anyone offers as proof will simply be ignored by you.  You have made these same claims repeatedly in every thread in every club and all have been explained to you based on simple logic as well as scientific proofs.

You continually claim that no one can offer proof of a global earth for example yet you know they have and often.  You simply choose to ignore it, move on to another place, and start over.

You will never have what you claim to want:  Someone to agree with you.

You have the firm belief that everything in life is a lie designed by some small group of people for a purpose even you can't explain.  The magnitude of people who must be fools or liars, in your estimation, is astounding.  Your opinion of your fellow humans is bound by distrust and disgust.  Your fall back is always insults and derision.  Is this your quest in life?  To make everyone either pity you or berate you as demented?  If it is, it's working.  The only good I ever hear from people regarding you is that you're polite but that's only because they don't bother challenging your beliefs.  Otherwise you are a nasty, insulting boor as well as misled and willfully ignorant.

I just went outside and did the little thumb test. Closing one eye and making my thumb appear as long as full grown pine tree perhaps 100 feet away as well as an 8 foot wall some 20 feet away. How exactly does that prove the sun is 400 times larger than the moon and 93 million miles away? 

Festerthetester - were you ever a teacher/professor? If so, in what subject(s)? 

It is also very easy to understand/comprehend how a few control/manipulate a multitude. Not hard to do at all if one disseminates the majority of information i.e. "knowledge" from the top down. What the public sees/hears/reads via MSM/education etc. 

I'm not looking for your friendship fester. But so long as you continue to spout/parrot lies I shall challenge you, whether you realize your lies or not. 

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I am impressed you actually tried the perspective thing and also that you admitted it.  I am befuddled that you don't see the connection.  The sun looks the same size as the moon because it is so far away, just like the tree and the thumb.  How can someone claiming to be smart not see that?

Yes you know I was a teacher of history in high school as well as lectured a few times in community college.  How is that germane?  I have never used any credentials to validate what I write in other subjects.

I do, however, have an MA and one can't do that without basic math in high school, like geometry and trigonometry, which apply directly to your arguments.

Or logic which you have failed to master.

I'm don't care about your friendship.  I have tried talking rationally to you for a long time.  You always resort to insults.  I really don't know why I even respond to you.  But here you are, everywhere.

Fester - Elroch and I have been corresponding for some time now. Several years.

As far as logic goes, it would appear your reasoning is if MSM also confirms it, than it must be true, for why would they lie? . If it is contrary to the Gov't/MSM narratives you simply discount it as crazy without the slightest bit of research. 

Take NASA for instance. If one chooses to believe their Apollo 11 lunar lander made of curtain rods, cardboard, roofing paper and scotch tape actually landed and took off from the moon then they are not using critical thinking much less basic logic. 

If NASA is faking their alleged space adventures then the question would need be why are they doing that? That is basic logic / inductive/deductive reasoning. 

So, it is you History. Okay. Sometimes it is difficult to tell since change usernames so frequently. 

You routinely invent narratives to suit yourself.  What makes you think any of this is true?

As far as logic goes, it would appear your reasoning is if MSM also confirms it, than it must be true, for why would they lie? . If it is contrary to the Gov't/MSM narratives you simply discount it as crazy without the slightest bit of research. 

You simply invent what you want to believe about anyone who disagrees with you and it becomes your truth.  You have been doing this for at least the three years I've known you.

Regarding NASA: This is another denial of yours that you have repeated ad nauseam.  I told you I have relatives, engineers, who work at NASA but you just add them to your list of people who are oblivious to the fact they don't know what they're doing.  This is your mantra.  Anyone who opposes you is ignorant and only you are aware of the truth.

You must realize this is the classic behaviour of an obsession with conspiracies: you're smart everyone else is stupid, no matter what the numbers.  

  I agree with you that if one assumes NASA is fake the logical question is why and also why literally thousands of people would be part of that and no one ever leaked the truth.  I've asked you why.  Your simplistic answer was money.  To who?  Aerospace engineering is not a particulary high paying job.  My niece is an optics engineer who worked on the hubble with 15 years experience and an MS with honors.  She makes about $85,000 a year working 80 hour weeks.  Is she a liar and a cheat or just ignorant that her work is fake?

I have 2 relatives that have worked for NASA for 20 years and they only know what they are told. Like most large organizations NASA is so compartmentalized that only those at the top know everything. What is so difficult to understand about that?

Truman said that only those very few who worked on the Manhattan project actually knew what was going on. 

It really is not very difficult to understand how a few can and do control the many. That is why I don't understand how you keep assuming that if a conspiracy existed than every single person who works for NASA(some 70,000) would be in on it, which of course, would be absurd. 

Here is an example.  If I have 1000 people and a puzzle of 10,000 pieces and I give groups of 5 people 100 pieces each (where some fit and some don't) do you really think any one of those 1000 people would know what the entire puzzle looked like?

Of course not. 

How those at the top of their companies and organizations keep their employees mostly in the dark ought not be any secret. 

The military is another good example. Obviously a private in the armed forces does not know what their general knows and so on and on and on. 

Please explain to me why you assume keeping the majority in a state ignorance is impossible?