Does True Randomness Actually Exist?
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czechsalmon
Nov 12, 2022
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#41
@Elroch what do you think and why you are the creator of this and the last forum so you must know the best from all of us!
Nov 12, 2022
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#42
Also I meant that you were the most active in the last on I know uke created also why did he block you?
Nov 12, 2022
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#43
czechsalmon wrote:
Also I meant that you were the most active in the last on I know uke created also why did he block you?
It was a response to me posting the fact that quantum physics disproves determinacy in our Universe. Check the record if you wish. (I was able to edit my last post after being blocked).
Nov 12, 2022
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#44
Elroch - triangulation would work on a level surface not on a spherical one, furthermore, Light Years is not a measurement......it is strictly an assumption.
Take the sun for a better example....how did they determine the distance?
Simple. They guessed. Copernicus said 3 million. Kepler said 12 million. others said 50 and some said more than a 100 million miles away.
Newton Came along and said the distance mattered not.
Nov 12, 2022
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#45
noodles2112 wrote:
Elroch - triangulation would work on a level surface not on a spherical one,
The triangulation is in outer space, which is very close to flat.
furthermore, Light Years is not a measurement......it is strictly an assumption.
You need to learn the meaning of words. It is a CONCLUSION, not an assumption.
Take the sun for a better example....how did they determine the distance?
They deduced it by combining many separate observations. I will provide a link.
Simple. They guessed.
No, that is a bad guess. See the previous comment.
Copernicus said 3 million. Kepler said 12 million. others said 50 and some said more than a 100 million miles away.
The Sun has been KNOWN to be around 93 million miles away for a long time now. Of early calculations, Hughens was the only one that involved a guess (about the size of Venus). He was lucky to be nearly right, but his calculation is rightly not respected like those that involved no guesses are. The crucial observation that made no guesswork necessary was of the transit of Venus in 1761.
See the history of estimation of the Sun's distance.
Newton Came along and said the distance mattered not.
No, that is a made-up claim by an unreliable source called @noodles2112. What Newton did do was arrive at a reliable, adequately accurate model of the physics that governed all motion in the Solar System. Still working fine today.
Nov 12, 2022
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#46
Not really working fine at all. If it did, it would not be challenged today.
Nov 12, 2022
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#48
Well, I beg to differ. Even so-called "experts" continue to debate the theory of gravity.
Nov 12, 2022
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#49
They do, but none of their debate is about anything that would significantly affect the dynamics of the Solar System. That is well-tested science - Newtonian gravitation and Newtonian dynamics, with just a smidge of correction from General Relativity (for Mercury's orbit). Any new theory of gravity has to closely approximate the present ones where they work fine.
Nov 12, 2022
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#51
If that was anything more than a joke, the only thing it could refer to is new planets beyond Uranus perturbing its orbit. This is all pure Newtonian gravity.
Nov 12, 2022
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#52
I enjoy heliocentric science fiction as much as the most ardent promoter
Elroch wrote:
czechsalmon wrote:
Also I meant that you were the most active in the last on I know uke created also why did he block you?
It was a response to me posting the fact that quantum physics disproves determinacy in our Universe. Check the record if you wish. (I was able to edit my last post after being blocked).
I think we can conclude that Uke believes in determinism. I mean, strongly believes, despite the pretended diffidence. He didn't like the fact that we were all pretty much rejecting the notion on HIS thread. He accused us and in particular, @Elroch, of perperating misinformation and deceiving others. Therefore, he became extremely petty and declared the thread "closed". He was ignored and so he blocked us. Reminds me of somebody.
noodles2112 wrote:
Well, I beg to differ. Even so-called "experts" continue to debate the theory of gravity.
No, the basic theory of gravity over local distances is incontraverible. There's some suggesion it may fail over interstellar distances and it probably doesn't apply at all to subatomic distances. However, the theory of gravity is descriptive and doesn't cover HOW it may work. And if they're so-called that may mean they aren't, so it doesn't matter in any case.
Nov 13, 2022
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#57
The theory of gravity is required to hold the entire heliocentric theory together. Without the theory of gravity................. heliocentrism falls apart completely.
Nov 13, 2022
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#58
True. All scientist agree that is no problem, because they reason correctly.
Nov 13, 2022
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#59
They have to "reason" it all away because if they actually reasoned they would not deny their own senses which is mandatory if one chooses to believe in the religion of heliocentrism.