I was replying to someone who assumed I was a kindergarten flunk-out! Hoping they could remember when they first came to believe they lived on a flying speck of dust...Lost in Space!
I have asked everyone here if heliocentric theory is not based upon perpetual randomness/cosmic coincidences? I have yet to get any satisfactory scientific explanation.
All one would need do is say, "Yes it is".
That would end it.
I was replying to someone who assumed I was a kindergarten flunk-out! Hoping they could remember when they first came to believe they lived on a flying speck of dust...Lost in Space!
I have asked everyone here if heliocentric theory is not based upon perpetual randomness/cosmic coincidences? I have yet to get any satisfactory scientific explanation.
All one would need do is say, "Yes it is".
That would end it.
noodles, the essential characteristic of Flat Earthers is that they are unable to understand simple facts and reasoning. I would like you to challenge that claim by considering the following, step by step.
If you are in the US or Europe and you look at the constellation of Orion in the night sky - one of the most striking and familiar constellations - you will see what can be interpreted as a person with a belt (three stars in a line with similar brightness) with a sword hanging below it (three more stars in a line, with one brighter one). It is always the same way up.
You can also see this constellation from much of the Southern hemisphere (because it's a long way from Polaris). And in the Southern hemisphere it always looks like this:
The constellation is the other way up from Australia. For example, the "sword" is ABOVE the "belt".
There is no sane explanation of this that is consistent with the Earth being flat. If the Earth is flat and you see something from two places, it's not going to be upside down from one of them - the stars at the top are going to be higher in the sky from everywhere, not just from the Northern hemisphere.
This is the point at which people who can reason correctly can see that the Earth is not flat.
In truth, what is vertical at one location can be different - even the opposite direction! - to what is vertical at another location. And that affects what parts of the sky visible from both locations look like.
Just to check my original claim - do you understand those facts and reasoning, noodles?
Elroch -" the essential characteristic of Flat Earthers is that they are unable to understand simple facts and reasoning"
I think you have it backwards.
What is simpler than water finding its own level? Certainly not water sticking to a spinning ball!
Furthermore, as you have just posted, the constellations are fixed. If the earth were zipping around the universe in several directions simultaneously at several different incomprehensible speeds then the stars would be Helter-Skelter every single day, never in same spot in the sky, and yet that is exactly what's observed.
Observing the constellations from different locations is not proof that earth is spherical.
The simple fact is that the constellations are fixed and have been since the beginning. An impossibility under the heliocentric model. Your reasoning "might" be valid if the earth was a stationary sphere?
Optimissed - indeed, I think you were the only one that responded to my inquiry.
Random Perpetual Cosmological Coincidences i.e. Heliocentrism
Elroch -" the essential characteristic of Flat Earthers is that they are unable to understand simple facts and reasoning"
I think you have it backwards.
What is simpler than water finding its own level? Certainly not water sticking to a spinning ball!
This is simple enough to me, but not simple enough for you. But the fault is yours, not some disability. I have explained that the centripetal force needed to keep something on the spinning Earth is TINY compared to the force of gravity, so your erroneous intuition that the water would be thrown off is wrong. You should be able to understand this, but you repeat your blunder.
Furthermore, as you have just posted, the constellations are fixed. If the earth were zipping around the universe in several directions simultaneously
There is also no excuse for repeating another wild falsehood that HAS BEEN POINTED OUT TO YOU SEVERAL TIMES. There is no excuse for not acknowledging that all competent people understand that each object has a SINGLE velocity (in a single frame) and that RELATIVE VELOCITIES are the DIFFERENCES between these individual velocities.
To be fair, I think subtracting velocities to find a relative velocity is beyond your capabilities.
at several different incomprehensible speeds then the stars would be Helter-Skelter every single day, never in same spot in the sky, and yet that is exactly what's observed.
Observing the constellations from different locations is not proof that earth is spherical.
Yes, it is, but it requires the capability to reason correctly.
The simple fact is that the constellations are fixed and have been since the beginning. An impossibility under the heliocentric model.
There is no sane justification for that non sequitur.
Your reasoning "might" be valid if the earth was a stationary sphere?
The empirical facts show the Earth is rotating once every 23 hours 56 minutes and 4.0905 seconds. This is why the stars appear to rotate around the TWO poles every night (which pole depending on which hemisphere you live in)
A key part of your delusion is repeating falsehoods after they are carefully explained to be wrong. What sort of behaviour is that?
After all the diversions, explain why is Orion upside down when viewed from Australia?
(if you doubt this, check with anyone in Australia capable of recognising a constellation).
Elroch - I understand what you are saying albeit you are factually wrong in claiming these theoretical assumptions to be facts.
You are assuming water can only stick to a very large ball. You are assuming the stars are light years away. You are assuming the earth moves. You are assuming if most people/"scientist" believe it... it must be true etc. etc.
How the constellations are perceived/viewed or not, is dependent upon the observers location on the face of the earth.
Elroch and I have been going at this for several years. I know, or believe, Elroch will always believe in Heliocentrism. I have tried to make it as clear as possible that I Do Not Know what the exact form/shape of the entire earth is for I have Never seen it in its entirety. I do know that what the PTB tell us it is, is not true. For there are far too many inconsistencies and discrepancies and contradictions from what they tell us... to be believed.
Who gains from such a lie? Why is it important to them to convince the masses that they are advanced monkeys Lost in Space living on a speck of dust?
I think some of the answers are obvious!
I think there is little/no chance we are an "accident".
If the world was created then there must be a creator! If the world is a simulation then there must be a simulator. I do not adhere to simulation theory but I do know the theory has been around at least since the 70's.
I have read/seen where some heliocentric "scientists" have made the claim that the "Universe Willed Itself into Existence." I think "Stephen Hawking" was one of them. An interesting yet absurd point of view in my opinion.
Elroch - I understand what you are saying albeit you are factually wrong in claiming these theoretical assumptions to be facts.
You often confuse yourself by refering to established facts that you don't understand - a very large domain - as "theoretical assumptions".
Let's keep this nice and simple.
Do you deny that Orion is upside down when viewed from Australia?
Elroch - I did not know there was an upside-down-sideways-right-side-up on the ball earth!?
Or everything on top of the ball earth is up and everything underneath it is down.
So how can Orion appear upside down when viewed from Australia?
Are you saying Orion from Greenland/North Pole appears right-side-up....or would?
Optimissed - sometimes food comes back out from the top
But now you are getting into philosophy. Many scientists have already stated that a Geocentric cosmology can ONLY be excluded on philosophical grounds.
Elroch - I did not know there was an upside-down-sideways-right-side-up on the ball earth!?
AT EACH LOCATION, there is a vertical direction, something you are familiar with. It's the relationship of your head to your feet when you are standing on the ground.
Because of the shape of the Earth, this direction is not the same when you are in the US to when you are in Australia. This is why Orion is upside down when viewed from Australia, compared with from the US.
Or everything on top of the ball earth is up and everything underneath it is down.
So how can Orion appear upside down when viewed from Australia?
Are you saying Orion from Greenland/North Pole appears right-side-up....or would?
It does, as surely familiar to anyone living in the Arctic.
If you disagree with the above, tell us how a constellation (or anything else) could look the opposite way up to two people standing at two points on the same flat surface.
[If you are stupid, I predict that you will not attempt to treat this question seriously, like your nonsense above. Note that this is a conditional].
Optimissed - what religion has more "gods/goddesses" than heliocentrism?
Heliocentrism has more gods/goddesses than every other religion on the face of the earth combined!
Actually, some of these scientist stated that the idea of being at the center of the known universe was far too disturbing to even ponder.
I wonder why they would think like that?
I use to believe if one could dig a hole through the earth then they would end up upside down to those standing right side up! I remember posing this hypothetical to some and they simply said it was impossible because "gravity" would turn the person around, somewhere around the earths core!
Heliocentric theory can be quite entertaining/fun!
How can it not be when ones imaginations are not confined to any facts and theories are limitless?
I remember posing this hypothetical to some and they simply said it was impossible because "gravity" would turn the person around, somewhere around the earths core!
If you do a handstand you feel "upside down" because indeed, gravity is the reference... again this is child-level stuff... if you think it's interesting you're damaged.
aoidaiki - heliocentrism can be entertaining/fun. Do you have an issue with that?
Whether it's science, politics, religion, etc, what people believe isn't interesting to me. Not at all.
You think heliocentrism is fun? I couldn't care less if you believe or don't believe it.
Elroch - I did not know there was an upside-down-sideways-right-side-up on the ball earth!?
AT EACH LOCATION, there is a vertical direction, something you are familiar with. It's the relationship of your head to your feet when you are standing on the ground.
Because of the shape of the Earth, this direction is not the same when you are in the US to when you are in Australia. This is why Orion is upside down when viewed from Australia, compared with from the US.
Or everything on top of the ball earth is up and everything underneath it is down.
So how can Orion appear upside down when viewed from Australia?
Are you saying Orion from Greenland/North Pole appears right-side-up....or would?
It does, as surely familiar to anyone living in the Arctic.
If you disagree with the above, tell us how a constellation (or anything else) could look the opposite way up to two people standing at two points on the same flat surface.
[If you are stupid, I predict that you will not attempt to treat this question seriously, like your nonsense above. Note that this is a conditional].
Continuing from my other post...
I care about why people believe something. Elroch's reasoning in the quote above is very good. That's what's fun to me. That's what's interesting to me.
If you make a good argument, the final conclusion appears all by itself, you don't even have to say it. That's why what is not interesting. "What" is superfluous.
You think the earth is flat? I don't care. I have no reason to care.
Optimissed - Who/What requires more propaganda than NASA/Heliocentrism?
CharlizeB - how old were you when your teacher stuck a toy globe in front of you and said, "This is where you live"? Since that time, have you ever thought to question it? Obviously not!