questioning heliocentric theory(s) ought to be encouraged - not discouraged / viewed as "attacks" ---
after all - it is a theory !
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playerafar wrote:
@Elroch
In addition to the axial tilt of the earth relative to the plane of its orbit around the sun -
there is also the 'orientation' of that tilt.
The direction of tilt as opposed to the magnitude of the tilt. So when that direction changes that's called 'precession'.
Right?
Yes I read your posts. My point is about presenting in different ways.
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Example ... regarding Polaris.
Apparently precesssion over time might cause Vega to eventually become the Northern star - instead of Polaris.
Yes, there is a fixed angle between the axis of rotation of the Earth and the orthogonal to its orbital plane (22.44 degrees).
There is another angle between the orthogonal projection of the Earth's axis of rotation onto its orbital plane and the major axis of that orbit. This latter angle goes through 360 degrees every 26,000 years. Currently the Earth's axis is pointing quite close to the perhelion end of the major axis, so Northern hemisphere mid-winter (December 21-22) is close to the nearest point to the Sun (January 3).
playerafar wrote:
Elroch wrote:
@noodles2112 NEVER takes on board information that would improve his understanding. He is committed to staying wrong.
But if he can provoke particular people to 'bark' hard enough at him and in a very personal way then the effect could be to hurt the atmosphere while he runs away laughing.
That doesn't mean that that's what he intends though.
An 'effect' as opposed to an intention.
@Elroch - his constant attacks on heliocentrism and other things so many people accept as very very evident could have an effect of frustrating your efforts to present the real science?
Not if his posts are used as opportunites to present that real science and such presentation leads to many positive conversations between others about that real science and about other things - independent of his geocentrism and flat-earthism.
I understand your attempt to keep the peace but encouraging people like noodles and endlessgames claiming they create "talking points" ignores what anyone can plainly see.
Noodles has been disrupting otherwise sane conversations for years. He does so whether or not science is involved. He has had all his nonsense explained ad infinitum. He simply ignores and moves to other points in orher places.
Endlessgames is well on his way to being just as disruptive.
Encouraging them to continue adds to the problem.
History - you fail to understand your own advocated & promoted "heroes/idols" when I post many things they have openly/publicly stated -
you simply do not like to "hear it" ---------
----------it obviously causes you ---------"emotional trauma/distress" --
furthermore - "explanations" might be all you need for a "belief' to exist -- others prefer more than that - like empirical/observable evidence etc.
Noodles literally is refusing what was generally accepted in the 17th and 18th century, heliocentrism. Well, I don't think that is something which a civilized individual of the 21st century would say. Anyways, he is committed on staying wrong, so let him. Flat earthers and geocentrism - even a sixth grader would know better than that Idk what to say
"The geocentric & heliocentric models are simply 2 distinct coordinate systems." - Einstein
Aara4401 - did you know that - I doubt it - just like any 6th grader would not know that -
because it is Not taught in Gov "education system" / MSM !
noodles2112 wrote:
"The geocentric & heliocentric models are simply 2 distinct coordinate systems." - Einstein
Aara4401 - did you know that - I doubt it - just like any 6th grader would not know that -
because it is Not taught in Gov "education system" / MSM !
I will answer this once then I will ignore you.
This statement by Einstein was made to support his relativity theory and his claim that it does not matter what system you chose as a reference point.
It was not a statement claiming the equivalence of both.
This is not the first time your assertion has been proven to be an intentional misinterpretation.
I am certain it will not be the last.
noodles2112 wrote:
furthermore - "explanations" might be all you need for a "belief' to exist -- others prefer more than that - like empirical/observable evidence etc.
Which just happens to line up with relativity but ok. I still haven’t gotten the reasoning behind why the Michaelson-Morley experiment proves the Earth is stationary.
EDIT: This was answered by Elroch in the post below.
The reasoning assumes classical physics is correct. The reason it is not the correct conclusion is that it fails to explain the astronomical proof that the Earth is moving. Here is a summary again:
History -- you may interpret things in ways that make it a bit more comfortable for you if you so desire - there are plenty more quotes I can post like "The geocentric model Cannot be disproven - it can Only be Excluded via philosophical grounds" - "the thought of being at the center of the universe is emotionally disturbing" etc.. you can interpret how you wish !
"nearby stars appear to shift ....every 6 months " -
heck -- "stellar parallax" ought to be observed & documented countless times by countless professional & amateur astronomers etc. !
would have been known to the ancient astronomers as well - not "discovered" in 1800's.
furthermore - if indeed movement of earth was proven in 1887 - I seriously doubt Einstein would have been needed or make the statement that "movement of earth Cannot be detected by any optical test/experiment....albeit the earth is moving... " !
Guys chill he is just rage baiting at this point. Thanks for the support History-returned!
Aarav4401 wrote:
Guys chill he is just rage baiting at this point. Thanks for the support History-returned!
Puerile comments are best ignored.
you see Einstein as childish & silly History -- that's new - perhaps it's a bit more puerile to ignore what your own idols have said because you don't like it - "plugging your ears & closing your eyes"!
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@Elroch
In addition to the axial tilt of the earth relative to the plane of its orbit around the sun -
there is also the 'orientation' of that tilt.
The direction of tilt as opposed to the magnitude of the tilt.
So when that direction changes that's called 'precession'.
Right?
Yes I read your posts. My point is about presenting in different ways.
--------------
Example ... regarding Polaris.
Apparently precesssion over time might cause Vega to eventually become the Northern star - instead of Polaris.