2bz wrote:
I haven't been able to dance like that woman at the front for nearly two years and that nearly killed me ....
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Elroch wrote:
I am not alone in thinking Bohm's interpretation is rather ugly.
Regarding the concept of some deeper level of reality which is deterministic but not accessible to us. I like the analogy of chess. The tree of all possible chess games, branching with every possible move in every possible position after every possible sequence of moves is a static object with no uncertainty. But individual chess games may not be predictable.
I realised or maybe arrived at a speculative proposal, once, that the universe can and always does manifest itself in every way that our creative imaginations can posit mechanisms for. Luckily, no-one can speculate on mysterious Many Worlds and/or Hidden Variables. It's impossible because no mechanism for them is in evidence.
opti:"I realised or maybe arrived at a speculative proposal, once, that the universe can and always does manifest itself in every way that our creative imaginations can posit mechanisms for"
sounds like Qbism 
opti:"That's nonsense and so is the invention of hidden mechanisms that conspire to create the impression of real randomness whilst being deterministic."
thats one way to think of it. but if your starting point is causality, then D is the default, and TR is the unnecessary addition. (occam shaved).
opti:"Luckily, no-one can speculate on mysterious Many Worlds and/or Hidden Variables. It's impossible because no mechanism for them is in evidence."
yes, and the same thing goes for copenhagens interpretation. to make it true you need to show a mechanism that is actually capable of producing TR while preserving causality. and we cant. so its just another speculation.
the bottom line is that all the interpretations are the same in that sense. they all just a matter of your belief. and objectively speaking all we can say is that we dont know. nothing wrong with that.
Jul 26, 2020
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Optimissed wrote:
2bz wrote:
I haven't been able to dance like that woman at the front for nearly two years and that nearly killed me ....
During karaoke? Come clean now.. 
(Probably freakin yoga.. cough, cough.)
Nono, I was dancing with an Italian air hostess in private. But it was tiring.
I'm feeling very boring and need to go into another room and sort out a boxful of stamp collections, for greater excitement.
baby luvz. all of a sudden think i know wutchu want. and im capable of accommodating. trust me...as we both know to dream is more powerful than to do, right ? esp-esp if ur at that age...lol !
Sillver1 wrote:
opti:"That's nonsense and so is the invention of hidden mechanisms that conspire to create the impression of real randomness whilst being deterministic."
thats one way to think of it. but if your starting point is causality, then D is the default, and TR is the unnecessary addition. (occam shaved).
It isn't. Causality applies to some aspects of the universe, obviously, but not to origination questions, nor to QM.
Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
I'm feeling very boring and need to go into another room and sort out a boxful of stamp collections, for greater excitement.
baby luvz. all of a sudden think i know wutchu want. and im capable of accommodating. trust me...as we both know to dream is more powerful than to do, right ? esp-esp if ur at that age...lol !
Maybe you'd like to fly over on your broomstick or use your preferred method of transportation, if it's not that but different, one night when my wife has gone to bed early? My age is quite a strange age. A lot of the time I'm as fit and active as an average 40-year old and a few days later I don't want to do anything and I have to go for long walks instead. Very up and down, at the moment.
The Italian is in her mid 50s but dances for hours per day when she's not flying and obviously is very fit because of it. That was the last time I danced but it was definitely energetic. To one of my favourite fast songs by Velvet Underground, it was. This song. I love the long guitar instrumental more or less played on a single note. The last week, I've been playing mainly Baroque Classical, people like Telemann and Vivaldi. About three weeks ago I was playing rock. Three weeks before that, Andrews sisters and 1930s jazz. I usually have two weeks without playing any music and then a week listening to whatever grabs me.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi1kNDx8-3qAhUymVwKHWieDtoQtwIwAHoECAQQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DPxq63cYIY1c&usg=AOvVaw2ccz4j5Bxr3ByQu4fWWPff
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Jul 27, 2020
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Optimissed wrote:
Elroch wrote:
I am not alone in thinking Bohm's interpretation is rather ugly.
Regarding the concept of some deeper level of reality which is deterministic but not accessible to us. I like the analogy of chess. The tree of all possible chess games, branching with every possible move in every possible position after every possible sequence of moves is a static object with no uncertainty. But individual chess games may not be predictable.
I realised or maybe arrived at a speculative proposal, once, that the universe can and always does manifest itself in every way that our creative imaginations can posit mechanisms for. Luckily, no-one can speculate on mysterious Many Worlds and/or Hidden Variables. It's impossible because no mechanism for them is in evidence.
Come on now, you know full well that is no barrier to people loving to speculate on these things, write whole books on the basis they are true and so on!
Philosophically, the idea that there is everything there could possibly be is attractive and simple in a sense. A major difficulty with it is to pin down exactly what is possible and why. I am sure it is my mathematical background that has made me come up with the notion that there are structures comprising, say, all possible mathematics, and that some such structure could conceivably have within it structure which happens to correspond to our physical Universe (like some tiny complex pimple in the Mandelbrot set, only with a lot more dimensions ).
The notion that everything that is real is somehow just that which is possible sort of feels like it is right. It is interesting how in our Universe we see everything as interactions with partial information, which is revised by further interactions but which never, ever becomes genuinely certain.
And that is some rather imprecise musing!
Jul 27, 2020
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#3077
No reason to stop dancing Opti.. On the side note I can't stop thinking if that gal of yours makes a good spaghetti and salad dinner, with wine and candles to boot.
Did you ever stop to think that while you were dancing with her the rest of the clowns in that plane might have got stuck watching a movie like this one?
Hmm, it was an airplane ride.. ?
King it might be that he just wants s/o to take him to a place he hasnt been. i mean thats what i want. pretty sure most ppl do too.
Jul 28, 2020
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That's not a bad thing to want. I travel too much as it is, so if I were to go someplace I haven't been it would have to be emotionally, intellectually that sort of thing.
And you, where is your place?
I'm afraid that many people reading this (if there are any)
i am. u ppl are all teachers !
I hope you're keeping your toes in good condition. My wife is diabetic and so she's very careful about hers, and her feet. A recovered diabetic, thankfully, who takes metaphorphine and such every day along with her glaucoma eye drops and all the rest of it. Whereas I am lucky enough to have taken no aspirin or paracetamol for the past couple of years, and no other medication except fresh coffee, Sicilian lemonade and malt whisky, Ghostess.
I'm feeling very boring and need to go into another room and sort out a boxful of stamp collections, for greater excitement.