Does True Randomness Actually Exist? ( ^&*#^%$&#% )

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Randomness and determinism both exist. This means that determinism as believed in like a God by logical positivists like Einstein and Bohm isn't at all true, because randomness still exists and so the exact future of the universe can NEVER be predicted. In my opinion also, free will is real and there are potential mechanisms for our brains to isolate decision making to a sufficient extent from the deterministic aspects of causality, but that isn't important because this thread's about randomness.

So randomness and determinism both exist; but they exist in their respective spheres of influence, so to speak. In particular, the more "macro" we get, the more determinism seems real; and yet it's only real because macro phenomena are very much a product of probability, which is measured using a statistical approach to micro-phenomena. But even so, macro objects like our sun, because they're products of a very large concentration of micro-phenomena, behave in many of their physical characteristics in a way that is governed by physical action, reaction and, basically, determinism. These relationships, together with the fuzzy boundary between micro and macro phenomena, cause many readers here to, sort of, lose focus of the differences. 

At the extreme other end of this scale, the micro-phenomena of quantum effects are real and they are unpredictable. Real unpredictability means real lack of pattern, because it is impossible to recognise patterns where they really don't exist. Lack of pattern is the one criterion of randomness. Therefore, unpredictability directly implies and entails randomness.

I know that there are people reading this thread who have some little difficulty in understanding or, shall I say, imagining or visualising the connection between randomness and predictability and perhaps because of this, some contributors have made forays into a twilight world of pseudo-randomness, apparent randomness and real randomness. However, this thread is about real randomness and anything else is incidental to it.

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Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

izzit possible TR once existed and now doesnt ?...iows, all the forms are now known ?...only cuz life seems to go where there arent any forms, right ?

NOOOO IT IS NOT POSSIBLE!

I shall post you random photos of the soap as soon as I've downloaded them, O Great Being.

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KingAxelson wrote:

Elroch my friend.. of course it is unpredictable, yet to what end?

Do you really think that the future is random?

It has a sizeable random component. It is fundamentally unpredictable to some extent (statistical predictions are possible - these include explicit randomness).

If power is in the present, then what does that say about the future?

THINK about be it. What does any of this stuff matter now, if the end game has not already been decided?

Reasoning based on your desire that "stuff matter now" is unreliable.

 

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unreliable's the wrong word. u can do better.

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THIS IS TOO COMFUSING
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wanna fwuit gummy hun ??

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?

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Elroch wrote:
KingAxelson wrote:

 

THINK about it. What does any of this stuff matter now, if the end game has not already been decided?

I'm sorry, I also can't work out what you mean.

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Optimissed wrote:
Elroch wrote:
KingAxelson wrote:

 

THINK about it. What does any of this stuff matter now, if the end game has not already been decided?

I'm sorry, I also can't work out what you mean.

It's worth a lot of thought. Answer me this.. Why did I just have to deal with a POS?

A jogger, dressed all in black at night time. Doing there thing in the bike lane, at on coming traffic?? 

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KingAxelson wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Elroch wrote:
KingAxelson wrote:

 

THINK about it. What does any of this stuff matter now, if the end game has not already been decided?

I'm sorry, I also can't work out what you mean.

It's worth a lot of thought. Answer me this.. Why did I just have to deal with a POS?

A jogger, dressed all in black at night time. Doing there thing in the bike lane, at on coming traffic?? 

 

You had to deal with a point of sale?

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Hmm, well that too come to think of it. 

Where have all the good times gone?

 

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come out little brother, come out and play!

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dough

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consciousness is directly proportional to TR. if u dont believe me then its cuz u flunked outta microbiology.

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what do you really want from me?

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As little as possible? tongue.png tongue.png

 

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Sillver1 wrote:

what do you really want from me?

to go over to Jiffys and get me a wine cooler...pleez ?

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Not in your fridge?

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lol. sure.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUmZp8pR1uc

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Was looking at a place the other day out in the country. Half hour into the speil I finally find out they had 'alexa' going on the whole time. What a crock of ****, as if there barking dog's weren't bad enough as it was.

Made the best of it though, me an the ole man cursed and yelled at 'alexa' to play some Rush and Joe Satriani.

His ole lady, bless her heart said if you raise your voice to 'alexa' then you'll get poor service. I'm thinking, are you guys a slave  to this kind of ****?

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