Does True Randomness Actually Exist? ( ^&*#^%$&#% )

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Sillver1

i think this belongs here happy.png

https://catholicscientists.org/videos/randomness-in-quantum-phenomena-2/

MeThinks1000

I may read the OP after responding to the Que in title, but I may not.

Yes, randomness exists all over the place. There is a machine manufactured to mimic the same. True story.

Much more common is corruption but randomness does in fact exist.

As an example, my computer (telephone) is manufactured and the systems within should ALWAYS begin a sentence with a capital letter. Around half the time it DOES NOT. This is just one example of many. The computer has been corrupted, I assure you; this is not random.

Sillver1
MeThinks1000 wrote:

I may read the OP after responding to the Que in title, but I may not.

Yes, randomness exists all over the place. There is a machine manufactured to mimic the same. True story.

Much more common is corruption but randomness does in fact exist.

As an example, my computer (telephone) is manufactured and the systems within should ALWAYS begin a sentence with a capital letter. Around half the time it DOES NOT. This is just one example of many. The computer has been corrupted, I assure you; this is not random.

lol

Sillver1

let’s give gtp a shot.. “Please explain to kids why the status of determinism is underdetermined”

GTP:”Hey there, kids! Imagine you're playing with a toy car on a track. Determinism is like saying that if you give the car the same push every time, it will always go in the same direction and at the same speed. It's like a predictable pattern.

Now, let's talk about something interesting called "underdetermined." It's like having a mystery or a puzzle where you don't have enough clues to know exactly what's going to happen. In the case of determinism, it's underdetermined because even though we know a lot about how things work, there are still some things we don't know for sure.

Imagine your toy car has a hidden button that sometimes makes it speed up, sometimes makes it slow down, and sometimes even changes its direction a little bit. Even if you give it the same push every time, because of this hidden button, it might not always follow the same path. So, even though we have lots of information about how things usually work, there could still be some surprises or unknown things that affect what happens.

In the big world of science and philosophy, some really smart grown-ups are still trying to figure out if everything is always predictable like determinism suggests, or if there are some hidden things that can make things less predictable. So, the status of determinism being underdetermined means we're still trying to solve the puzzle and understand exactly how everything works together.

Just like you might not always know where your toy car will go if it has a hidden button, scientists and thinkers are exploring to see if there are hidden factors that can change how things happen in our universe. It's like a big adventure to discover more about the amazing world we live in!”

Sillver1

me: ‘the hidden button analogy is too confusing. how about replacing it with environmental randomness, such as the toy car travel over a carpet or something which cause random variables?”

GTP: “Of course, I understand! Let's use the carpet and random variables to explain why the status of determinism is underdetermined.

Imagine you have a cool toy car, and you're racing it on a track at home. Determinism is like saying that if you push the car in the same way every time, it will go the exact same distance and speed every single race. It's like knowing exactly what will happen each time you race.

Now, let's talk about something called "underdetermined." Sometimes, even though we know a lot about how things usually work, there can be factors we don't know about that can make things a little unpredictable. Imagine if your toy car races on a track, but this time the track goes over a bumpy carpet. The carpet adds some randomness to the race. Sometimes the car might go a tiny bit faster when it hits a smoother spot on the carpet, and sometimes it might slow down a little when it hits a bumpier part.

Because of this bumpy carpet, even if you give the car the same push each time, it might not always finish the race in the exact same way. This randomness from the carpet is like a puzzle piece we don't fully understand yet. Scientists are like detectives, trying to figure out how much this randomness really affects the races and whether there are other hidden factors we haven't discovered.

So, when we say the status of determinism is underdetermined, it means we're still exploring and trying to solve the mystery of how much predictability there is in the world. Just like your toy car on the bumpy carpet, sometimes there are surprises or unknown things that can make things a little less predictable, and that's what makes science so exciting and full of new discoveries!“

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Sillver1

https://youtu.be/j-fWDrZSiZs?si=iloysJIRPeWS5No1

Lincoy3304

There are only two places randomness can occur

  1. In acts of free will or
  2. In quantum indeterminable behavior 

Both may exist, and may have effects on one another. I find free will to be an inherently plausible concept, and I don’t know enough about (2) to make a judgement on a theory of interpreting quantum mechanical laws

BoodaBlackNoCapCrew2-3

Boo Bee

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BuzzleGuzzle
Optimissed wrote:

Banter between someone who always needlessly turns the discussion to one of physics and deliberately closes down discussion where he's genuinely being challenged gets boring and ridiculous when he's allowed to get away with it by others, so I've completely lost interest.
Let me bore you with a little about me. I started a Facebook account circa 2003 or 4 and got into debating. I was interested in varied subjects. At one time, unasked for, I was being called "the best debater in English on Facebook". Naturally, there were several hundred people who tried to "win" arguments with me. It was like being a fast gun in the West. Tedious.
In my one previous incarnation here on Chess.com, several years before this one, I met up with Elroch and in those days he was such an obvious troll that I spent an hour investigating him. I found out his name, his job and the name of the village near Cambridge he lived in. Just in case. It's as well to be aware of who some people are.
There are trolls and trolls and some of them are intelligent and subtle. Most people are no match for them at all. His thing is "control". That's all .... control and selling his self-image of the perfect intellect.

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Thee_Ghostess_Lola

it did as of this morning (my toaster).

Alp1ne14
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APersonWhoYoyos
Randomness could be said to be just based of off perception. I would make the argument that true randomness
APersonWhoYoyos
Doesn’t exist in the way we describe it as
hapless_fool
Can Brownian motion be charted in advance?
lemaudit1

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johnbroadwater

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MEEP74295

THERE IS NO SUCH TING AS RONDOMNESS! ! NOBODY LIKES RANDOMNESS! ITS ALL PROPOGANDA! RANDOMNESS STINKS!

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

I happen to LUV randomness ! i mean when wuz the last time u went out for a adult beverage ? ...and got hit on ?