Does True Randomness Actually Exist? ( ^&*#^%$&#% )

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Hmm, well lets see here.. "Just put everything in quotation marks."  happy.png

Affluence is the experience in which our needs are easily met and our desires spontaneously fulfilled. We feel joy, health, happiness, and vitality in every moment of our existence.

Affluence is reality, and the true purpose of this book is to give us an insight into the nature of reality. When we are grounded in the nature of reality and we also know that this same reality is our own nature, then we realize that we can create anything, because all of material creation has the same origin. Nature goes to the same place to create a cluster of nebulas, a galaxy of stars, a rain forest, or a human body as it goes to create a thought.

All of material creation, everything that we can see, touch, hear, taste, or smell is made from the same stuff and comes from the same source. Experiential knowledge of this fact gives us the ability to fulfill any desire we have, acquire any material object we want, and experience fulfillment and happiness to any extent we aspire.

The principles expressed in this book relate specifically to the creation of unlimited material wealth, but these principles can be applied to fulfill any desire, because they are the same principles that nature uses to create material reality out of a nonmaterial essence.

All of material creation is structured out of information and energy. All quantum events are basically fluctuations of energy and information. And these impulses of energy and information are the nonstuff that make up everything that we consider stuff or matter.

So it becomes clear that not only is the essential stuff of the universe nonstuff, but that it is thinking nonstuff. For what else is a thought but an impulse of energy and information?

We think of thoughts as occurring only in our head, but that is because we experience them as linguistically structured thought that is verbally elite and speaks to us in the English language – in my case, with an Indian accent. But those same impulses of energy and information that we experience as thoughts –those same impulses – are the raw material of the universe.

The only difference between thoughts inside my head and those outside my head is that I experience thoughts inside my head in linguistically structured terms. But before a thought becomes verbal and is experienced as language, it is just an intention. It is, once again, an impulse of energy and information.

In other words, at a preverbal level, all of nature speaks the same language. We are all thinking bodies in a thinking universe. And just as thought projects itself as the molecules of our body, so too the same impulses of energy and information project themselves as space-time events in our environment.

Behind the visible garment of the universe, beyond the mirage of molecules, the maya – or illusion – of physicality, lies an inherently invisible, seamless matrix made up of a nothingness. This invisible nothingness silently orchestrates, instructs, guides, governs, and compels nature to express itself with infinite creativity, infinite abundance, and unfaltering exactitude into a myriad of designs and patterns and forms.

Life experiences are the continuum in this seamless matrix of nothingness, in this continuum of both body and environment. They are our experiences of joy and sorrow, of success and failure, of wealth and poverty. All these events seemingly happen to us, but at very primordial levels we are making them happen.

The impulses of energy and information that create our life experiences are reflected in our attitudes toward life. And our attitudes are an outcome of and expressions of self-engendered impulses of energy and information.

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In my opinion Deepak Chopra take partial truths and wrap them with nonsense and then sell it to an unsuspecting public... he made fortune this way. for example he sell products that suppose to stop aging while he aged like everyone else.

P.S. if this was intended as art, it is actually pretty nice. but because he sells his ideas as a medical practice, its kinda troubling for me.

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"however, safety in numbers never impressed me because after all people do have a herd mentality"

lol. Ever seen a bait ball?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofeYisqfOO8

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Sillver1 wrote:

In my opinion Deepak Chopra take partial truths and wrap them with nonsense and then sell it to an unsuspecting public... he made fortune this way. for example he sell products that suppose to stop aging while he aged like everyone else.

P.S. if this was intended as art, it is actually pretty nice. but because he sells his ideas as a medical practice, its kinda troubling for me.

Not my intention to wound your emotional epidermis, but your opinions mean something to me as always. So a quick heads up.. I will be posting more of his work. happy.png  [An excerpt eludes me]

The man goes very deep. His intellect intrigues me.. As with most everything, I keep what I can use and throw out what I cannot. [When new or different information comes my way] 

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Sillver1 wrote:

In my opinion Deepak Chopra take partial truths and wrap them with nonsense and then sell it to an unsuspecting public>>

A conman.

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i agree that his attempts to be funny are confusing, but i have no reason to discredit him. do you?>>

I thought he had two faults.

1) Extremely boring
2) Doesn't make any coherent points.

But ..... the world would be a dull place if we all liked the same things. Happy Christmas. Or if you prefer, ignore Christmas.

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Adam Becker made plenty of coherent points,
the most important one for this thread is that the belief in randomness as the 'entity of all gaps' is a direct result of historical social and political events, and have very little to do with science.

This is not to say that randomness is not a valid interpretation, but it is based on belief. justified or not is in the eye of the beer holder.

here is that lecture again..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2K9Mobldtw&feature=youtu.be&t=1538

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King: 'I keep what I can use and throw out what I cannot.'

sounds good to me happy.png

It strike me that owner-operator is a natural course for you, but i don't know if you care to talk about this kind of things in such a public setting?  

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 the belief in randomness as the 'entity of all gaps' is a direct result of historical social and political events, and have very little to do with science.>>>

But honestly, that is just words. "Entity of gaps". Gaps in what? In knowledge? In causality? They are different because one is notional and the other ...... well, it means absolutely nothing cos it can mean anything and he's just one of these people, and there are thousands of them, trying to make a name for himself. Sure, he will get some people interested in what he might be saying. That's the law of averages and it's pretty random but I didn't get an impression of genius and that's what counts. For me.

<<<This is not to say that randomness is not a valid interpretation, but it is based on belief. justified or not is in the eye of the beer holder.>>>

Yes, all our ideas are based on belief because the mind works via inter-relationships of patterns of belief that it holds, and when belief is sufficiently justified, we call it knowledge. Not all knowledge is true or correct because we don't have a birds-eye view of reality which would be necessary to second-guess our beliefs about what is knowledge and what isn't.

Ideational relativity. It is meaningless unless we can anchor it in correspondence between our ideas of knowledge and our ideas of what reality is. Coherence by itself is insufficient. Our ideas have to have real meaning to be worthwhile and I didn't get that impression from our friend. Just didn't think he was very bright. I'm exceptionally intellectually arrogant. And self-confident. tongue.png

Thankyou for talking to me. I really do appreciate it and I'm not kidding. You must have the patience of a saint to put up with me. But I also think I'm right on this.

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Sillver1 wrote:

King: 'I keep what I can use and throw out what I cannot.'

sounds good to me

It strike me that owner-operator is a natural course for you, but i don't know if you care to talk about this kind of things in such a public setting?  

Well, I'll tell you what I can. I like what I do, however its not in my plans to retire this way. I make good money, have great customers, and get along with everybody at work. That being said, I already have plans laid out to start my own business. Which is Information Marketing, not exactly truck driving eh?

The first segment I'll target will be the golfing crowd. How is your golf swing Silver?  happy.png

 

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i dont know what information marketing is, and golf is not my thing either. but way back i met someone that took this trucking path, and he ended up with a fleet of trucks. he did complained that it is tons of headache and theres something to be said for avoiding that : )

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 the belief in randomness as the 'entity of all gaps' is a direct result of historical social and political events, and have very little to do with science.>>>

But honestly, that is just words. "Entity of gaps". Gaps in what? In knowledge? In causality? They are different because one is notional and the other ...... well, it means absolutely nothing cos it can mean anything and he's just one of these people, and there are thousands of them, trying to make a name for himself. Sure, he will get some people interested in what he might be saying. That's the law of averages and it's pretty random but I didn't get an impression of genius and that's what counts. For me.

<<<This is not to say that randomness is not a valid interpretation, but it is based on belief. justified or not is in the eye of the beer holder.>>>

Yes, all our ideas are based on belief because the mind works via inter-relationships of patterns of belief that it holds, and when belief is sufficiently justified, we call it knowledge. Not all knowledge is true or correct because we don't have a birds-eye view of reality which would be necessary to second-guess our beliefs about what is knowledge and what isn't.

Ideational relativity. It is meaningless unless we can anchor it in correspondence between our ideas of knowledge and our ideas of what reality is. Coherence by itself is insufficient. Our ideas have to have real meaning to be worthwhile and I didn't get that impression from our friend. Just didn't think he was very bright. I'm exceptionally intellectually arrogant. And self-confident.

Thankyou for talking to me. I really do appreciate it and I'm not kidding. You must have the patience of a saint to put up with me. But I also think I'm right on this.

Yes, I agree. youre absolutely right on this one! lol. heres some of your own medicine...

you see, ultimately all your narratives are a collective of sentences, and sentences are construct of words. and in sequence of precision its essential to inquire deeper.  then you will finally find fonts.
nevertheless.. may fonts supply us with a advantageous answer to this precise examination? i would strongly disagree with that notion from the simplistic point of view that fonts are made of pixels. and pixels my friend are all equal and ultimately made of nothingness!

so what am i saying here? am i accusing you for saying nothing while wasting a lot of fonts made of nothingness? Not so fast! can you guess why? it is scientifically proven according to tremendous amount of experiments that pixels are all about the arrangement..
thats right. if you manage to arrange nothingness just in the right way, and i want to stress the importance of this to be absolute true. owing to the fact that this is absolutely proven. you will indeed get a precise and a very correct answer.

thank you for taking the time to consider the importance of this tongue.png

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....trying to write hamlet

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doesnt this prove that randomness is an illusion ?

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Sillver1 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

 the belief in randomness as the 'entity of all gaps' is a direct result of historical social and political events, and have very little to do with science.>>>

But honestly, that is just words. "Entity of gaps". Gaps in what? In knowledge? In causality? They are different because one is notional and the other ...... well, it means absolutely nothing cos it can mean anything and he's just one of these people, and there are thousands of them, trying to make a name for himself. Sure, he will get some people interested in what he might be saying. That's the law of averages and it's pretty random but I didn't get an impression of genius and that's what counts. For me.

<<<This is not to say that randomness is not a valid interpretation, but it is based on belief. justified or not is in the eye of the beer holder.>>>

Yes, all our ideas are based on belief because the mind works via inter-relationships of patterns of belief that it holds, and when belief is sufficiently justified, we call it knowledge. Not all knowledge is true or correct because we don't have a birds-eye view of reality which would be necessary to second-guess our beliefs about what is knowledge and what isn't.

Ideational relativity. It is meaningless unless we can anchor it in correspondence between our ideas of knowledge and our ideas of what reality is. Coherence by itself is insufficient. Our ideas have to have real meaning to be worthwhile and I didn't get that impression from our friend. Just didn't think he was very bright. I'm exceptionally intellectually arrogant. And self-confident.

Thankyou for talking to me. I really do appreciate it and I'm not kidding. You must have the patience of a saint to put up with me. But I also think I'm right on this.

Yes, I agree. youre absolutely right on this one! lol. heres some of your own medicine...

you see, ultimately all your narratives are a collective of sentences, and sentences are construct of words. and in sequence of precision its essential to inquire deeper.  then you will finally find fonts.
nevertheless.. may fonts supply us with a advantageous answer to this precise examination? i would strongly disagree with that notion from the simplistic point of view that fonts are made of pixels. and pixels my friend are all equal and ultimately made of nothingness!

so what am i saying here? am i accusing you for saying nothing while wasting a lot of fonts made of nothingness? Not so fast! can you guess why? it is scientifically proven according to tremendous amount of experiments that pixels are all about the arrangement..
thats right. if you manage to arrange nothingness just in the right way, and i want to stress the importance of this to be absolute true. owing to the fact that this is absolutely proven. you will indeed get a precise and a very correct answer.

thank you for taking the time to consider the importance of this>>

Honestly, it doesn't require time to understand that you imagine that you're sending back to me what I sent to you. That will happen if you didn't understand what I was saying to you, I'm afraid. Never mind, I'm sure some people will find your contribution amusing but if you want to impress me, try to make the gobbledegook look as if it carries a semblance of meaning.

Your gobble-offering runs along similar lines, in interest value, to that of our friend but at least you did it on purpose and he didn't.

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this is weird. i see a dressed up monkey on my phone but it doesn't show on my desktop?

nvm. now i see it here too. I think that it prove that some theorems never meant to realize. nice outfit and facial expression : )

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Opti i understood you well. it just that you sound very argumentative and im not. so i made a  joke instead. thats all to it.

the "entity of all gaps" was my own twist on a common phrase because randomness is used whenever we cant find a pattern. like free will, none determinism, or even evolution in a way.

the truth is that we dont know if true randomness exist... to my understanding it all can be traced back to the collapse of the wave function but no one really know if its a true random or even a true collapse. i think of it as a "black box" something goes in something else comes out, but we have no idea what is really happening inside the box. hope that make sense

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the truth is that we dont know if true randomness exist...

well, seems so far so good right ?....gobs-n-gobsa yrs later ? in my humblest of opinions (rare yes....lol !), i feel u hafta leave (abandon ?) the S-T Continuum 'cuz theoretical math isnt gonna give us any practical answers (rarely does).

so okay. fine. let's leave it. but now we're gonna hafta explain to the masses how things are outside of the Continuum. guesses welcome. guesses jaundiced.

iows, ppl arent gonna explain randomness and leave out sentience-consciousness. cuz im not gonna lettum....lol !

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Opti i understood you well. it just that you sound very argumentative and im not. so i made a  joke instead. thats all to it.

the "entity of all gaps" was my own twist on a common phrase because randomness is used whenever we cant find a pattern. like free will, none determinism, or even evolution in a way.

the truth is that we dont know if true randomness exist... to my understanding it all can be traced back to the collapse of the wave function but no one really know if its a true random or even a true collapse. i think of it as a "black box" something goes in something else comes out, but we have no idea what is really happening inside the box. hope that make sense

Yes it's a very old term, used especially in engineering where people are more interested in effects than reasons.

All I did was to tell the truth, which was that in my opinion, the young man didn't have anything useful to say. I'm not arguing; just relaying a fact concerning my opinion. No doubt some kind of case can be made for him by people who are determined to do so but I just think "what's the point of making a case for him, because really his words can be interpreted in any direction, I'm sure". So I'm happy to agree to differ but I was unhappy with the suggestion that, somehow, I didn't understand him. Even though I didn't listen to him very hard, I can understand him alright.

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Sillver1 wrote:

"however, safety in numbers never impressed me because after all people do have a herd mentality"

lol. Ever seen a bait ball?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofeYisqfOO8

yea, its cool. however I dont think that they hang together to look like a large intimidating creature, they are just trying to hide behind each other.
like the saying, “You don’t have to run faster than the bear.  just to run faster than the guy next to you.” lol