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youre funny opti. remind me of Statler and Waldorf criticizing everything and everyone. lol. and a lot of your criticism is well justified ill give you that. but i want to ask you..
is there any interpretation of the Schrodinger that you do approve? what do you make of our reality?

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these guys.. : )

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Optimissed you missed the pilot wave theory. it has some problems with relativity yet it "iron randomness" very elegantly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_wave_theory

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Sillver1 wrote:

youre funny opti. remind me of Statler and Waldorf criticizing everything and everyone. lol. and a lot of your criticism is well justified ill give you that. but i want to ask you..
is there any interpretation of the Schrodinger that you do approve? what do you make of our reality?

Haha well, people aren't that bright, are they. I mean, they breed like rabbits, can't prevent themselves having wars all the time, make up all sorts of crap and actually believe it, pollute their planet to death, and they still expect to be taken seriously on Chess.com .....

To be honest, I'm not interested in Schrodinger. I'm more interested in the fact that Chess.com just lost its connection with me, blamed me of course, even though my connection was completely fine at the time, I lost a game I was going to win and to make matters worse, they'll probably accuse me of being a poor sport and confine me to playing jailbirds.

There's only one reality and if you're in the happy position of being able to laugh at it, then that's probably good.

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Bercher wrote:

Optimissed you missed the pilot wave theory. it has some problems with relativity yet it "iron randomness" very elegantly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_wave_theory

Thankyou, that's very kind of you, because the pilot wave theory does seem to be taken seriously. The Wiki link you sent is a bit sketchy because of course, the pilot wave theory founders on the rock of inelastic scattering (where energy is not conserved) and the idea that an unknown hidden variables mechanism cannot account for it because hidden variables is incorrect was, of course, shown to be completely false, although, unfortunately the article doesn't tell us how and a Wiki editor inserted a "citation needed" notice.

Seriously though, I don't like hidden variables ideas and I also think they are incorrect, but that doesn't mean I would junk the pilot wave idea, although I do believe that it's extremely badly named. I think that all matter in the form of fundamental material entities does have a dual nature of wave and particle. More accurately I think that matter consists of a spherical energy field, which acts as a localised wave, which interacts with similar entities as particles but which, due to its wave-like nature, is capable of acting over a distance in some circumstances. At least, I got that far in my thinking in about 1974 and decided to wait to see if I could get a good mathematician onside. It did appear that all I was doing was agreeing with others who had reached the same conclusions 50 years before but they could do maths and I only had an A level, which is an English pre-university qualification.

But anyway, thanks. It would be nice to get a day of complete clarity where I can intuitively grasp the real interactivity of material and energy before I die. I'm 68 so I would suggest I have no more than 50 years in which to do it. tongue.png

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@ Silver.. I agree with your secondary assessment in regards to intuition. ie: Your lady friend picked up on a lot of details subconsciously, and just put it all together. No doubt that is a common theme, and perhaps more so. As a side note, women are all about the details anyway. You could have a small hole in your clothing that nobody else would even have a clue about, but a woman would know. Anyway, I’ve seen true intuition first hand before very vividly. It shocked the **** out of me. More on that later if you wish.

As to the gif that you found interesting, that is a boring machine of sorts. Incidentally, Elon Musk is in that business as well did you know?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company        In the beginning of that interview we talked about he goes into detail about a current project in progress under Los Angeles. He also talks about several thousand flame throwers he’s built and sold as well. : )

 

As to work, yes I run the coast and inland as well. Earlier this week I was in Grass Valley, CA. Later this week I’m back in San Francisco, fun times.. Oh well.

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Sillver1 wrote:

elroch, the only thing safe to say is that your statement (et al ; ) has nothing to do with science and stem from a non visionary prespective. maybe if you adopt the belief in FW your horizon will broaden with it : )

I don't know to what statement you refer (I have made hundreds), and there is no indication what the (non-standard) abbreviation "FW" refers to, so not a useful comment as it stands! Please clarify.

 

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I think he's generalising and just talking about most of the wrong things you say. happy.png I most definitely believe in telepathy. I'm being serious .... I definitely believe it exists, to the extent that I know it exists, because knowledge is only a strong form of belief, and someone was talking about it here, for some reason I cannot divine.

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non visionary prespective

he doesnt have any vision. wutty he knows he read frumma book....lol !

(I have made hundreds)

....try 10'sa thousands.

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ello

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To my knowledge this is the first time I have been put down by being accused of not being a visionary. wink.png

I am sure the abbreviation "FW" above must be obvious to someone?

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Elroch wrote:

To my knowledge this is the first time I have been put down by being accused of not being a visionary.

I am sure the abbreviation "FW" above must be obvious to someone?

Free Will

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ok. That makes good sense. In that case, I think that he is encouraging me to take a position that I can't.

That position is that people have some sort of non-physical decision making process that acts beyond the laws of known physics and imposes itself on the brain to make it cause the body to do things. This is roughly what people did believe in prescientific times, but the naturalistic hypothesis does the job much better.

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@ Elroch.. Perhaps he is encouraging you to ‘Think outside the box?’ : )

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Although you can measure half lifes and rates of decay, the exact moment a radioactive nucleus emits an alpha particle is (assumed to be) completely random

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Opti, your idea sound kinda similar to the field theory except that the fields are not shared between all particles and each particle has its own field? if your worse concern is losing connectivity to a chess game, you must be in a very good place : )

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king, yea, lol. i think that women are naturals at this, but some men too. i knew a girl that took this 'appearance reading' to extremes. and she was very successful in assessing people like that. she takes everything into account, from the sole of your shoes up to your hat and everything in between. and i mean everything. its was fun watching her do that.
there's a famous story about an american spy that got caught just because the way he sat.. apparently europian men and americans men cross their legs differently when they sit, but thats more of body language reading,
you got me curious now.. please share your personal experience if its cool with you.

I think that you posted the wrong link. flame throwers? yes, im familiar with the boring company. first i thought that its just like any other tunnels (just an underground road) but then i saw a presentation and its different idea. you actually park your car on a sort of flat bed that carries you with it. it seemed like a very shaky ride,
but that was just the first try outs. so they'll probably improve on that.

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elroch, that was in response to your statement #440.
also, FW does not necessarily conflict with matterialism. all that it mean is that you are capable of making conscious choices, and they are not forced upon you.
for example.. several people pointed out to you that red penning is rude, but you keep doing it anyway. I believe that you choose to do so consciously. but according to your previous statements from several weeks ago, you believe that its forced upon you? by the laws of physics or whatever?
..it was tempting to red pen this. but i made a choice not to. lol