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I would assume you tried this one already?

James 5:14 

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Most meditation, including TM is not a religious practice. It's about self awareness and allowing the mind/body to relax and rejuvenate. Such practices naturally have roots that are traced far back in history. Meditation is misunderstood in the Western world by those associating the practice closely with philosophical beliefs. Meditation frees the mind of thought, quite the opposite of philosophy/religion.

I was given a Mantra by the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in 1968 (as I recall the year) in San Francisco. 

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@KingAxelson -So it's obvious you think of yourself as an exception, a "special case" who need not adhere to Elroch's requests and site rules. You continue to post references to Bible versus, knowing full well you've been asked repeatedly to please follow the guidelines. I requested you to please not post video's in my thread - your very 1st reaction was to immediately post more useless videos, taking up band width which most of us are trying to conserve. Disagree with my views - no problems. But why go to a thread where ur not wanted and make menace of yourself?

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MustangMate wrote:

@KingAxelson -So it's obvious you think of yourself as an exception, a "special case" who need not adhere to Elroch's requests and site rules. You continue to post references to Bible versus, knowing full well you've been asked repeatedly to please follow the guidelines.

What I do know is this..

You have been seeking an awful lot of attention lately. What's up, did you recently suffer a loss?

Elroch's requests? Of me? What are you rambling about, he's never asked anything of me nor I him. + It's not his thread. tongue.png

And no bot, or anyone else for that matter has 'repeatedly' asked me to do anything. Your spewing propoganda, try healing yourself instead you'll feel better.

Here, maybe this will help..

Addendum: Never posted in your personal thread's either, another Pinocchio for you.

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KingAxelson wrote:

I would assume you tried this one already?

James 5:14 


Interestingly enough no.  However, my church has done things like this in the past.  I’m stable enough at the moment.  The underlying condition is autism and it’s an interesting question as to would I want that cured or not as that would most likely change my entire personality!

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Just like unwrapping a present eh? : )

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KingAxelson wrote:
MustangMate wrote:

@KingAxelson -So it's obvious you think of yourself as an exception, a "special case" who need not adhere to Elroch's requests and site rules. You continue to post references to Bible versus, knowing full well you've been asked repeatedly to please follow the guidelines.

What I do know is this..

You have been seeking an awful lot of attention lately. What's up, did you recently suffer a loss?

Elroch's requests? Of me? What are you rambling about, he's never asked anything of me nor I him. + It's not his thread.

And no bot, or anyone else for that matter has 'repeatedly' asked me to do anything. Your spewing propoganda, try healing yourself instead you'll feel better.

Here, maybe this will help..

 


I think he’s alluding to me being muted from posting in any of (do not name and shames’) threads...  well it was bound to happen sooner or later happy.png

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I once did a course in TM back around 1985 because it was very cheap then .... less than £20. It has nothing to do with religion and is simply a meditation technique which is very effective. However, the people calling themselves "Siddhas" who were long-term members treated it more as doctrine. Apart from that I taught myself to meditate in different ways, to achieve various goals.

Regarding what has been written above, can we possibly try to exercise tolerance and friendship here in this thread with regard to everyone? That's only my suggestion and we can continue to be unpleasant elsewhere. tongue.png

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I wasn’t trying to be unpleasant, Honest. If I was I could do a much better job of it.  But for my part I try to be relevant and nice.   I was once given a mantra by a lecturer in university:  Chaos is the sensitive dependance on initial conditions.  Other than that the only mantra I know is the mentat mantra, though I have no access to Sapho juice.

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Meditation is a beneficial practice which has measurable physical effects (such as lowered blood pressure). "Mindfulness" seems to be a popular term in  recent years.

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My step mother has some sleep deprivation issues and she has been known to listen to tapes to help her meditate.  From what she tells me they don’t help her much.  My question would be what are you trying to achieve from meditating?  Obviously she is trying to get some much needed sleep, which is fair enough!  And meditation was kind of prescribed to her by her GP.  I was once told interestingly enough by someone in my church that prayer was a cathartic exercise, the implication being I take it that you weren’t actually talking to God.  Is there absolutely no spiritual element to all forms of meditation?  I highly doubt that!

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KingAxelson wrote:
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KingAxelson wrote:

Why does the subject of synchronicity keep getting ignored in this thread? 

 

Because it would add complications that many people couldn't handle, and which would tend to support the presence of hitherto unknown, scientific laws. Actually, one law .... the one that causes mental phenomena as well as the existence of the universe in the first place.

Best ignore it.

Unknown scientific laws have got to be more exciting than say.. watching old re-runs of 'Friends' wouldn't you say?  

I'm afraid I don't know what "Friends" is or was so I don't know.

Actually, unknown scientific laws aren't exciting except for me and people like me because most people only get excited about them when somebody famous suggests them and then they're usually wrong, more than likely, because they're feeding off their own fame rather than their intellectual curiosity.

Yeah, well I'm sure you understood it was meant as a less than desirable activity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends

Now, as far as that intellectual curiosity you bring up, that's what I want to talk about. Do you place limits on your's, or do you reserve an open mind? There is no wrong answer to that.

As far as answering the topic question goes, I believe our answers can be found in the following anomalies..

Premonition *

Coincidence *

Feelings *

Intuition *

Synchronicity *

I feel strongly about these things, and I know that with your help and that of others here we can together make a strong case in regards to the OPs initial question. 

I think this is the nitty-gritty. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, so be it. We can always shoot the **** right? And who knows, maybe there is some random answer with implications to be found there.

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I did have the sense that there was some irony lurking in there.

I place limits on my intellectual curiosity because I tend to want to fit pieces together in the jigsaw. But I'm totally happy with not knowing and not reaching a conclusion. In my life I've suspended judgements for 20 years or more and there are always other pieces to fit in, excellent walks to be had, good music to discover, people to meet, types of Champagne to try .... happy.png

It seems to me that there is some tension between the idea of free will and randomness on the one hand and on the other, the feeling that it is possible to predict the future, so I've tended to come down in favour of the delusional model that given that our minds interact with the universe, it can act as a sender and a receiver.

I have experienced quite amazing premonitions. Now, premonitions involve coincidence ... a coincidence is a juxtaposition of events which says nothing about whether the juxtapositioning is due to "randomness" or something else, such as that depicted by your word, "synchronicity", which is a connectedness of events.

Feelings and intuition are both a bit vague. Intuition can be due to forgotten memories and so forth, or even a lucky guess can masquerade as intuition. But the times when we guess right, know we're going to guess right and furthermore, we have a feeling that we are going to guess right and that feeling is of a particular, recognisable type which always seems to occur when we guess right means one of two things.

One) We are mad.
Two) It is real.

I tend to go for the former .... erm sorry, I mean the latter, because contrary to the testimony of many, many people who know absolutely nothing about the subject, such things have been tested and have been shown to happen. The logical positivists who live in a simplified, ideal world where these things are impossible are delusional.

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Uke8 wrote:

tease? lol! pick your flavor... its on the house...

 

If it's beer, either of the two middle ones look closest to English Bitter. I'd go for the darker of the two if I had to guess.

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Elroch wrote:

Meditation is a beneficial practice which has measurable physical effects (such as lowered blood pressure). "Mindfulness" seems to be a popular term in  recent years.

Don't like it. Mindfulness, that is. It's very much like going round a corner on a motorbike without leaning over.

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Mindfulness is all about being in the moment and experiencing it to the full.  That and colouring in, which I did like!  But I would question the usefulness of being in the moment and experiencing it to the full, if the moment in question isn’t particularly plesant!

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Twpsyn, this is not the place for religious discussions. kindly remove all religious references.
however, if you decide not to do so, please refrain from posting here anything else in the future.
thank you.

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Twpsyn, I read your post #1321 so you can delete it, please. He's being very fair. Randi is a conman, didn't you know? Mindfulness is a fad, imo. I don't necessarily see it as healthy/positive. Unless, of course, one is growing older and hopes to defeat Alzheimer's or arterio-sclerotic dementia.

 

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Yes, randomness exists. There is a contraption that allows a proton to go to one of two possible ways, which is totally random, you don’t know where the proton goes until you observe it.
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I have removed said post, not entirely sure why it was offensive!  I was being relevant and nice!

I am a man of faith, what can I say?  To remove what others deem as religious references from my posts is going to prove impossible.  I would state however my opinion that the chess.com does not forbid the use of any and all religious references.  If so it would be a very dull place and I would have been muted long ago!