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Optimissed wrote:

Twpsyn, I read your post #1321 so you can delete it, please. He's being very fair. Randi is a conman, didn't you know? Mindfulness is a fad, imo. I don't necessarily see it as healthy/positive. Unless, of course, one is growing older and hopes to defeat Alzheimer's or arterio-sclerotic dementia.

 

 

As I say I did get a lot of benefit from the coloring in aspect of mindfulness during my illness!  The being in the moment aspect of it, not so much! 

How is Randi a conman, he's offering $1M? 

Interesting enough there was a program on television in the UK a few years ago where Darren Brown predicted the lottery apparently through a combination of the wisdom of crowds and automatic writing.

 

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omg !...s/t kinda random & kinda not. gottit frumma friend. hilarious !!

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Railroad Tracks 

The U.S. Standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches.

That's an exceedingly odd number.
Why was that gauge used?

Because that's the way they built them in England, and English expatriates designed the U.S. Railroads.

Why did the English build them like that?

Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used.

Why did 'they' use that gauge then?

Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they had used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.

Why did the wagons have that particular Odd wheel spacing?

Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts.

So, who built those old rutted roads?

Imperial Rome built the first long distance roads in Europe (including England) for their legions. Those roads have been used ever since.

And the ruts in the roads?

Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. 

Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.

Therefore, the United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches is derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot.

In other words, bureaucracies live forever. 

So the next time you are handed a specification, procedure, or process, and wonder, 'What horse's a$$ came up with this?', you may be exactly right.

Imperial Roman army chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the rear ends of two war horses.

Now, the twist to the story:

When you see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, you will notice that there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. 

These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory in Utah. 

The engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred to make them a bit larger, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site.

The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel in the mountains and the SRBs had to fit through that tunnel.

The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track, as you now know, is about as wide as two horses' behinds.

So, a major Space Shuttle design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a horse's a$$.

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lola, you made a good case for causality tongue.png

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Twpsyn wrote:

I have removed said post, not entirely sure why it was offensive!  I was being relevant and nice!

I am a man of faith, what can I say?  To remove what others deem as religious references from my posts is going to prove impossible.  I would state however my opinion that the chess.com does not forbid the use of any and all religious references.  If so it would be a very dull place and I would have been muted long ago!

I know that it wasn't offensive. in fact questioning free will in the face of determinism is very relevant.
however, doing so from a religious point of view necessitate a religious discussion and we don't want to go there for good reasons. (whether chess.com permit it or not)

I also understand that you are passionate about your faith. however, this thread is mostly self moderated with zero tolerance toward religious and political provocations.
please respect that whether you agree with it or not. thank you.

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I have not made a provocation, i.e I am not deliberately trying to make you or anyone else angry.

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Twpsyn wrote:

I have removed said post, not entirely sure why it was offensive!  I was being relevant and nice!

I am a man of faith, what can I say?  To remove what others deem as religious references from my posts is going to prove impossible.  I would state however my opinion that the chess.com does not forbid the use of any and all religious references.  If so it would be a very dull place and I would have been muted long ago!

There is a blanket ban on discussions involving religions and politics here on chess.com except, I think, in private places. I think Uke8 is a moderator and so he was only doing what he had to do.

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Twpsyn wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Randi is a conman>>>>

As I say I did get a lot of benefit from the coloring in aspect of mindfulness during my illness!  The being in the moment aspect of it, not so much! 

How is Randi a conman, he's offering $1M? 

Interesting enough there was a program on television in the UK a few years ago where Darren Brown predicted the lottery apparently through a combination of the wisdom of crowds and automatic writing.

 

Exactly, he's offering $1 million, which makes him an interested party, with a conflict of interest to the tune of that amount. Given that he's never going to pay out, the free publicity it has given him has been worth a massive amount of money.

There's a very large amount of evidence that tells us that if a claim has the remotest chance of succeeding, he stops all correspondence with that person or group of people.

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Lola, whenever I drive up to Newcastle-upon-Tyne, 160 miles away, I use the M6 up through the hills on the edge of the Lake District for 100 miles and then I turn right and part of that journey is along an old Roman road that runs along Hadrian's wall, and that road was just wide enough for 4 horses to pass each other, one chariot going one way and the other the other. I think it was widened by a couple of feet half a century ago.

There's a vallum runs along it and a lot of that still exists, and a ditch, as well as the remains of the wall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vallum_(Hadrian%27s_Wall)

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Unfortunately, the topic is often too simplified by thinking one concept is closely related to another. It very well can be, but only after terms are defined and people meet on the same page.

Randomness, by it's suggestion of a lack of order, becomes associated with Abiogenic, natural Origins while believing things are Ordered - not random, becomes associated with Creation and supernatual causes.

Far too often, both these "associations" are quickly made in people's minds, thinking they "know" the other persons world view. They often entirely miss points being made, at the ready with patented response, answers in hand.

The Universe, including the quantum world may be ordered - ie. laws exist to explain it's behavior. Does this automatically qualify someone as a "Believer" ? Of course not, but many here make that assumption and will take that point of view. Good example is Einstein - who was greatly misunderstood on the topic. One line quotes get cited to mean what the author "thinks" Einstein meant, without actually reading nor listening to it's entirety. 

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Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

omg !...s/t kinda random & kinda not. gottit frumma friend. hilarious !!

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Railroad Tracks 

The U.S. Standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches.

That's an exceedingly odd number.
Why was that gauge used?

Because that's the way they built them in England, and English expatriates designed the U.S. Railroads.

Why did the English build them like that?

Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used.

Why did 'they' use that gauge then?

Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they had used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.

Why did the wagons have that particular Odd wheel spacing?

Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts.

So, who built those old rutted roads?

Imperial Rome built the first long distance roads in Europe (including England) for their legions. Those roads have been used ever since.

And the ruts in the roads?

Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. 

Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.

Therefore, the United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches is derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot.

In other words, bureaucracies live forever. 

So the next time you are handed a specification, procedure, or process, and wonder, 'What horse's a$$ came up with this?', you may be exactly right.

Imperial Roman army chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the rear ends of two war horses.

Now, the twist to the story:

When you see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, you will notice that there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. 

These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory in Utah. 

The engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred to make them a bit larger, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site.

The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel in the mountains and the SRBs had to fit through that tunnel.

The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track, as you now know, is about as wide as two horses' behinds.

So, a major Space Shuttle design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a horse's a$$.

 

Thank you for sharing that. Transportation systems genuinely get me going.

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Dear Stephen Hawking

I've got nothing. I've always been compelled to put up with this whole nothing. Kindly do not annihilate anything whatsoever in future.

Yours sincerely,

Hawking radiation

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I don't think Einstein was a great genius. He was a clever man who rearranged Maxwell's equations and passed them off as his own without crediting Maxwell. Einstein wasn't honest.

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https://getpocket.com/explore/item/scientists-say-your-mind-isn-t-confined-to-your-brain-or-even-your-body?utm_source=pocket-newtab

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And then there's that telepathy thing. (Gut feeling, not random.) Talk about breaking down the barriers. Here all along I thought we would need universal language translaters.

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<<After much discussion, they decided that a key component of the mind is: “the emergent self-organizing process, both embodied and relational, that regulates energy and information flow within and among us.” It’s not catchy. But it is interesting, and with meaningful implications.

The most immediately shocking element of this definition is that our mind extends beyond our physical selves. In other words, our mind is not simply our perception of experiences, but those experiences themselves. Siegel argues that it’s impossible to completely disentangle our subjective view of the world from our interactions.>>
It's difficult, sure, but where the interactions are simple, it's possible.
The above definition doesn't imply telepathy or some action of the mind at a distance. It actually means that it is a co-operative project with others.
The shore is where the sea meets the land.

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It's difficult, sure, but where the interactions are simple, it's possible.

I feel its possible if ALL information is known to ALL.

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Twpsyn wrote:

Mindfulness is all about being in the moment and experiencing it to the full.  That and colouring in, which I did like!  But I would question the usefulness of being in the moment and experiencing it to the full, if the moment in question isn’t particularly plesant!

thats why theres a place to dream of tomorrow or muse about y-day. as far as a miserable present, i feel its attitude that gets u thru those times. notice that im enjoying the moment here&now ?

why ??....cuz im chatting happy.png .

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It's been awhile, but I know I've heard that one before..

All information, to all people. That's what dreams are made of right there. 

I would have to dig into my Napoleon Hill book, but he makes a very good case about that.

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Unfortunately I’m not aloud to see my muse...  self isolation.  She lives say 20 miles away and there’s a ban on unnecessary travel.  Amusingly, she works in the only shop in her village so as a essential worker all her village get to see her, but me I’m not allowedsad.png.  If I get called in at work on Monday morning then I might go ‘shopping’ in said village...  that’s essential right?  I am a little worried for her though as she has assma, but she’s trooping through though, still working in the shop.

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The immune system would seem to be key, is she taking anything for that?