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Does True Randomness Actually Exist? ( ^&*#^%$&#% )
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MustangMate wrote:
The notion that matter can be neither created or destroyed has long been dismissed. It’s taken modern science a long time to concur with what’s been known for ages.
The first law of thermodynamics doesn't actually specify that matter can neither be created nor destroyed, but instead that the total amount of energy in a closed system cannot be created nor destroyed (though it can be changed from one form to another).
i think that you treat matter and energy to be 2 different things so your statement makes sense.
but many people think of them as one so is also true that the U is constant. just 2 ways of saying the same thing
this is where i lost you..
mustang:"What of new particles popping into existence from nothing ? Perhaps they do - but in an organized nature and not random at all !!"
WAIT !
opti, i didnt say that. it was mustang quote. i try to stay out of the drama : )
but i think that you didnt realize elrochs blunder yet.
..or you'd be all over him and right on topic ; )
happy ur back opti 
Jun 1, 2020
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#1769
Opti - This is all nothing new to me. I may well be in agreement with your points on logic and behavior but it’s just all rather frivolous imo thinking anyone is going to change their ways at this stage.
Jun 1, 2020
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#1770
Henry-the-VIII wrote:
Elrochs your man for ladybird book level science.
I will have to take it from you that there are Ladybird books on the fundamentals of quantum mechanics, the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox and the experiments in which Bell's inequality is violated. I learnt these things from other sources myself.
Jun 1, 2020
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#1771
MustangMate wrote:
The notion that matter can be neither created or destroyed has long been dismissed. It’s taken modern science a long time to concur with what’s been known for ages.
The first law of thermodynamics doesn't actually specify that matter can neither be created nor destroyed, but instead that the total amount of energy in a closed system cannot be created nor destroyed (though it can be changed from one form to another).
Who had "known for ages" that matter could be created and destroyed?
(I thought no-one did until the early 20th century, when Einstein's E=mc^2 led to the realisation that matter might be converted to other forms of energy, as later confirmed through nuclear physics).
Jun 1, 2020
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#1772
Perhaps this -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter
For much of the history of the natural sciencespeople have contemplated the exact nature of matter. The idea that matter was built of discrete building blocks, the so-called particulate theory of matter, independently appeared in ancient Greeceand ancient India among Buddhists, Hindus and Jains in 1st-millennium BC.[6] Ancient philosophers who proposed the particulate theory of matter include Kanada (c. 6th–century BC or after),[7]Leucippus (~490 BC) and Democritus (~470–380 BC).[8]
Jun 1, 2020
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#1773
True randomness is purely a philosophical question and has nothing to do with physics. Most here understand this, are not fooled into thinking otherwise.
Jun 2, 2020
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#1774
Randomness is about unpredictability (it's how it is defined).
Physics reveals that certain specific events are entirely unpredictable (the reasoning is non-trivial but is established knowledge), answering the question of the title.
This is independent of any claims about randomness in cases where it is impractical to use physics (even though fundamentally it determines all behaviour in our Universe). For example, predicting the result of a horse race.
Jun 2, 2020
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#1775
MustangMate wrote:
Perhaps this -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter
For much of the history of the natural sciencespeople have contemplated the exact nature of matter. The idea that matter was built of discrete building blocks, the so-called particulate theory of matter, independently appeared in ancient Greeceand ancient India among Buddhists, Hindus and Jains in 1st-millennium BC.[6] Ancient philosophers who proposed the particulate theory of matter include Kanada (c. 6th–century BC or after),[7]Leucippus (~490 BC) and Democritus (~470–380 BC).[8]
I recall Democritus' association with the atomic hypothesis - that matter was made of indivisible units. However, I am not aware of any discussion of energy and matter being converted to each other until the 20th century.. Stuff appearing out of nowhere is of course a common part of many ancient stories, but not in a way that improves understanding.
Elroch wrote:
Randomness is about unpredictability (it's how it is defined).
Physics reveals that certain specific events are entirely unpredictable (the reasoning is non-trivial but is established knowledge), answering the question of the title.
This is independent of any claims about randomness in cases where it is impractical to use physics (even though fundamentally it determines all behaviour in our Universe). For example, predicting the result of a horse race.
Wrong answer Try again 
mustang, how much are you into the global consciousness project?
Stuff appearing out of nowhere is of course a common part of many ancient stories, but not in a way that improves understanding.
u mean like what squawking hawking got caught saying about the big bang breakfast donut ??
"The universe itself, in all its mind-boggling vastness and complexity, could simply have popped into existence without violating the known laws of nature,"
HiHo...he kinda reminds me of a teeter totter. uknow if the patient is unbalanced then all ur gonna get is unbalance from the patient. iows GIGO. sad.
i gotta go to sleep now (who wansta go ? lol !!) we'kin talk more in da morning
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