The numbers all sound spot on. Chances are good the aliens will confirm such speculation.
Just wondering- if there were only 1x10 to the 20th water sources and not the 30th as predicted, does this lower the chances life exists on other planets? Just when do the odds become low enough to exclude possibility? If large numbers in probabilistic form indicate certainty of other life, very low probabilistic numbers mean what ?
I’m open to “other worlds”
Just not outside our own.
Perhaps other worlds exist, but only within the one we see.
Your open to other world's huh? Elaborate..
Just not outside our own. What??
"Perhaps other world's exist, but only within the one we see." Oh? And which one do 'we' see?
Water appears common. There was a report of an unimaginably large amount of water around a distant black hole.
ever notice that the more ppl use words like elegant and beautiful and simplicity to 'interpret' stuff the further they float from physics/SM ? another benevolent patron of the arts & philosophy...yee !
Elegance is a prized quality in science that is associated with simplicity and explanatory power. This essay considers the qualities that make a scientific model, experiment, method, or theory "elegant," with a focus on the life sciences. We propose a definition of elegance that includes clarity, cleverness, correctness, explanatory power, parsimony, and beauty. The pursuit of elegance can improve the quality of science, but elegance must be pursued with caution, as the truth is sometimes inelegant. - copied
and btw, ur not a real scientist if u sit there and preach to us the deepest of need for the rigors of the SM...and then hotflash asesthetic words to back up ur latest luvfest hypotheses. cuz im not gonna letchu get away w/ it. sorry not sorry.
ever notice that the more ppl use words like elegant and beautiful and simplicity to 'interpret' stuff the further they float from physics/SM ? another benevolent patron of the arts & philosophy...yee !
No.
The most respected physicists commonly use such terms in describing deep insights. They also have a long track record of success using them to select hypotheses that later turn out to be true. It's essentially a highly refined form of Occam's razor.
Of course the Scientific Method requires that empirical data is the final arbiter. A good example would be that supersymmetry has long been a very attractive idea to physicists, but no data has yet confirmed it (all a wide subset of examples have been eliminated by experiments at CERN and elsewhere). As a result, while there are still versions of supersymmetry that are compatible with the lack of confirming data, the level of belief has faded somewhat.
ur need to find that beauty is NOT a good guide to figuring out nature. just ask the SM !
Incorrect. Hypotheses need to be selected somehow.
Simplicity is the strongest guide and has a tremendous track record. Complexity is added when required to explain data, not before.
ok. think about it. ur tryn2explain things about stuff u'll never experience w/ ur senses. nor have u. nor will u ever. and for it2be ? it needed to be some kind of benefit to the natural selection you sooo vehemently adhere to like pt barnum.
now. tell me without passion nor ur fanciful romantic adjectives. wut advantage is there to understanding QM ? huh-huh-huh ??
and lemme remind u. science is not art...has never been...and never will it be !
science = 1/art
this is the only math lesson ur gonna get from me.
....and u will not be badmouthing neither art nor philosophy and then turn around & use it in the fields of science. not on my watch there buster (teeth grit squint).
sorry opti. u know me. im just being opinionated and defensive a my <3felts and mad that its the worse day of the week. ::/
sorry opti. u know me. im just being opinionated and defensive a my <3felts and mad that its the worse day of the week. ::/
Monday for you, or is Garfield that bad at counting?
The numbers all sound spot on. Chances are good the aliens will confirm such speculation.
Just wondering- if there were only 1x10 to the 20th water sources and not the 30th as predicted, does this lower the chances life exists on other planets? Just when do the odds become low enough to exclude possibility? If large numbers in probabilistic form indicate certainty of other life, very low probabilistic numbers mean what ?
What if you subtract 2 from infinity. It doesn't makes any difference so to make significance. I said earth's nothing but a micro dot. Now tell me is it not possible to have another dot of same kind in centillions of such dots?. That what expectancy of life says. There are trillion places where biochemical can form up like on earth. We don't claim aliens because we have not seen them for serious. But probability claims trillions of them. Suppose you went for fishing in a sea. Now there's a region having large coral reef bed. You took your boat there and caught thousands of fishes there. Because coral reefs are home to many fishes. Now you go ahead search for other spots but you couldn't find reefs in your 100 km journey. You get disappointed and declared that there's no fish in the sea except the one area where you found them in thousands. This is the situation we are in now we are not capable of searching the whole universe and the area searched have no sign of life except on earth. But this doesn't means we declare that life exists only on earth. We can't simply avoid the rest 99.999999999999% space. There's a good or say better chance of having similar coral reef in that sea with even more fishes. As we search more we filter more of 99.99999....% space. Mathematics says nothings uneven but physics says unevenness increases only if we magnify our scale... Believe me we are not alone and believe me maybe they're also trying to find us at the same time instant we are trying......
no. im usually fine w/ mondays. its tuesdays i hate - w/ drama.
What if you subtract 2 from infinity.
they say thats just dum math. theres no such thing as infinity to the materialist. they're not allowed to believe in it. and trust me i'll remind them.
as far as being found ?...i hope so. u try living on a rock.
The numbers all sound spot on. Chances are good the aliens will confirm such speculation.
Just wondering- if there were only 1x10 to the 20th water sources and not the 30th as predicted, does this lower the chances life exists on other planets? Just when do the odds become low enough to exclude possibility? If large numbers in probabilistic form indicate certainty of other life, very low probabilistic numbers mean what ?
What if you subtract 2 from infinity. It doesn't makes any difference so to make significance. I said earth's nothing but a micro dot. Now tell me is it not possible to have another dot of same kind in centillions of such dots?. That what expectancy of life says. There are trillion places where biochemical can form up like on earth. We don't claim aliens because we have not seen them for serious. But probability claims trillions of them. Suppose you went for fishing in a sea. Now there's a region having large coral reef bed. You took your boat there and caught thousands of fishes there. Because coral reefs are home to many fishes. Now you go ahead search for other spots but you couldn't find reefs in your 100 km journey. You get disappointed and declared that there's no fish in the sea except the one area where you found them in thousands. This is the situation we are in now we are not capable of searching the whole universe and the area searched have no sign of life except on earth. But this doesn't means we declare that life exists only on earth. We can't simply avoid the rest 99.999999999999% space. There's a good or say better chance of having similar coral reef in that sea with even more fishes. As we search more we filter more of 99.99999....% space. Mathematics says nothings uneven but physics says unevenness increases only if we magnify our scale... Believe me we are not alone and believe me maybe they're also trying to find us at the same time instant we are trying......
Open minded and rational, dig it. 
What if you subtract 2 from infinity.
they say thats just dum math. theres no such thing as infinity to the materialist. they're not allowed to believe in it. and trust me i'll remind them.
as far as being found ?...i hope so. u try living on a rock.
Do yo know what we call much far off objects in physics, we call the object at infinity. If you don't understand you just shouldn't talk anything about it
opti.. listen to mustang.. if we go by elroch definition.. it just like changing the title to..
“Random sequences as defined by our ability to predict them.”
think thats cool? its like he dont want the Q. "does TR exist" to be asked in the first place. funny! : )
Randomness is uncertainty in predictions. That's the definition. This discussion is mostly about carts leading horses by disagreeing about what concept the phrase "true randomness" should apply to. But this should surely be agreed: true randomness has to be based on randomness.
It's worth pondering how misguided it would be to have a discussion about what squidleplook should mean, but until there is an agreed definition of "true randomness", this discussion is exactly as misguided.