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wrong

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i ma a canadian, not russian.

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yes, not just school but they spend all of there free time.

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!!!!!

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rich wrote:
Chessguy2 wrote:

Russia, chess is there only sport.


 Chess is not a sport.


is true

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The Russians collectively are much better at chess than the Americans. Just look at all the Russian chess champions since World War II. And look at all the American grandmasters who are Soviet-bloc emigrants. There are many reasons for this. Chess was promoted as an educational pasttime for the masses starting with Lenin. It was backed by the state both on the mass level and on the international-competition level, where it was seen as adding to Soviet prestige, like their very successful Olympic programs. Russian education has also emphasized mathematics and hard sciences much more than American education, and of course chess tends to be associated with mathematics. As a result of all these factors, not only have the Russians had internationally competitive success, but chess at the local club level tends to be much stronger and much more popular. More than once I have had the experience of running into, say, a twenty-year-old Russian woman who was a casual player and finding it was all I could do to take 3 out of 5 from her.

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Ricardo_Morro wrote:

The Russians collectively are much better at chess than the Americans. Just look at all the Russian chess champions since World War II. And look at all the American grandmasters who are Soviet-bloc emigrants. There are many reasons for this. Chess was promoted as an educational pasttime for the masses starting with Lenin. It was backed by the state both on the mass level and on the international-competition level, where it was seen as adding to Soviet prestige, like their very successful Olympic programs. Russian education has also emphasized mathematics and hard sciences much more than American education, and of course chess tends to be associated with mathematics. As a result of all these factors, not only have the Russians had internationally competitive success, but chess at the local club level tends to be much stronger and much more popular. More than once I have had the experience of running into, say, a twenty-year-old Russian woman who was a casual player and finding it was all I could do to take 3 out of 5 from her.


 English please!

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Chess relies heavily on logic, as does mathematics. It is not surprising that mathematicians, engineers, physicists, computer programmers, etc, often prefer chess as game of choice, especially as compared to liberal arts people or social scientists, and tend to be better at it than those with arts backgrounds. (I speak as a playwright, poet, and English M.A. who loves it whenever I beat a physicist or mathematician.) Note that Botvinnik was an engineer and computer programmer, Smyslov was an engineer, Lasker was a mathematician, etc.

Another field linked to chess skill is music. Musicians are often good chess players. Interestingly, the three fields in which young prodigies are common are mathematics, music, and chess. Perhaps because all three rely on pattern-regonition and pattern-creating skills that spring more from the brain's latent abilities than do other skills that come from experience. 

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Russia.

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rich wrote:
Ricardo_Morro wrote:

The Russians collectively are much better at chess than the Americans. Just look at all the Russian chess champions since World War II. And look at all the American grandmasters who are Soviet-bloc emigrants. There are many reasons for this. Chess was promoted as an educational pasttime for the masses starting with Lenin. It was backed by the state both on the mass level and on the international-competition level, where it was seen as adding to Soviet prestige, like their very successful Olympic programs. Russian education has also emphasized mathematics and hard sciences much more than American education, and of course chess tends to be associated with mathematics. As a result of all these factors, not only have the Russians had internationally competitive success, but chess at the local club level tends to be much stronger and much more popular. More than once I have had the experience of running into, say, a twenty-year-old Russian woman who was a casual player and finding it was all I could do to take 3 out of 5 from her.


 I don't think chess has anything to do with science or mathematics.


 actually it does.. the coordinates of each square is considered as math and science.... well there's nothing related to science ...I think

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russia period.  how many american born players have left an impression on the chess world as opposed to russian players (or former USSR countries).  i can only  think of a small handful of american born players that rank in the worlds elite over the years.  morphy, pilsbury, fine, fischer, nakamaura...im sure theres a few more but none that comes to mind immediately.  think or russian or former USSR players who have ranked up top... just recently Shirov, Kramnik, Topalov, Kasparov, Karpov, Ivanchuck, Grischuck etc in history...Tal, Smyslov, Botvonik, Keres, Bronstein, Geller, Spassky, Petrosian etc...look at all the champions on the russians side that should say something by itself...

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jpd303 wrote:

russia period.  how many american born players have left an impression on the chess world as opposed to russian players (or former USSR countries).  i can only  think of a small handful of american born players that rank in the worlds elite over the years.  morphy, pilsbury, fine, fischer, nakamaura...im sure theres a few more but none that comes to mind immediately.  think or russian or former USSR players who have ranked up top... just recently Shirov, Kramnik, Topalov, Kasparov, Karpov, Ivanchuck, Grischuck etc in history...Tal, Smyslov, Botvonik, Keres, Bronstein, Geller, Spassky, Petrosian etc...look at all the champions on the russians side that should say something by itself...


definetly.

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forgot frank marshall but still the russians have the lead by a long shot

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e-mister wrote:
jpd303 wrote:

russia period.  how many american born players have left an impression on the chess world as opposed to russian players (or former USSR countries).  i can only  think of a small handful of american born players that rank in the worlds elite over the years.  morphy, pilsbury, fine, fischer, nakamaura...im sure theres a few more but none that comes to mind immediately.  think or russian or former USSR players who have ranked up top... just recently Shirov, Kramnik, Topalov, Kasparov, Karpov, Ivanchuck, Grischuck etc in history...Tal, Smyslov, Botvonik, Keres, Bronstein, Geller, Spassky, Petrosian etc...look at all the champions on the russians side that should say something by itself...


definetly.

yep


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