another way to think about it is if your playing aainst enines and coming up with a lose to draw bame your doing well above averae... internet elo scores dont rrally amount for much... i ean it doeasnt prove how ood of a player you are... challene the fella to an over the board ame and see how you o...
It happens that OTB tournaments here ask for chess.com ratings. The national ratings have been shown to be cooked, so people don't take them too seriously.
i'm not using an engine because my bullet games are rated higher than my other games
This doesn't work. There's plenty of engine users in 3|0.
Many will use an iPad they have laying on their desk and will wait for you to make your move and do the same move on their iPad. Then they will do the move the iPad makes in live chess... There's no switching windows involved and todays tablets (iPad included) are very powerful computers. Hell, even my smartphone, weighs 130 grams which is as much as a chockolate bar (Google Nexus 5) has a quad-core processor with 2.26 GHz!
This is also flawed. Believe me, I thought the same for a while. But the analysis free members get on chess.com is pish poor. Free members get a 2000 elo analysis, when modern chess engines have 3000+ elo. So the chess.com engine will inevitably think some of the moves the opponent did using a 3000 elo engine were inaccuracies/mistakes/blunders.
I don't mean no criticism. Just stating my experiences. Hope it helps. :)
Yeah, everyone's got a system for deciding who is and isn't cheating.And the ones here are about the most laughable ideas I've seen yet.
The truth is you cannot determine from just a few games if someone is cheating. It may seem suspicious, but that's all. It takes at least dozens of games to get a proper sample of their play before you can start drawing any real conclusions about the honesty of their play.
They will often pull out their engines if they see they're up against a much stronger player they otherwise would have pretty much no chance of beating.
For example a 1400- matching a 1600+, is likely to pull out an engine.
It's sad, but true.
I've even had someone admit to me "you're playing against 3000 elo", I didn't report him though but gave him credit for being honest, at last. I've never reported anyone, regardless of how much abuse they've given or how many times they disconnected or let the clock run down. It's not my job to do that and a waste of time in my opinion.
Sad part is that's the worst time to be cheating(not that there is a good time). You learn a hell of a lot more playing against a stronger player than a weaker one. You lose, but in that loss you gain knowledge and experience. You gain none of that by cheating.
I have no doubt that some players cheat, but I would use caution coming to any conclusions from a single game. It's possible a player just started here and their rating hasn't leveled out yet.... Everyone starts out at 1200 and some are much beter than that. Takes a while before that number is accurate. In the meantime a 1240 rated player might seem like a cheater because in reality he's a 1600 as an example....
Here's hoping all the cheaters are caught and flogged..... enjoy Labor day! Peace
The tactics rating is one of the clues you can use to gauge if they are cheating or not. If they are playing nice class A or master level tactical shots against you, but they have an average (dont want to use the word 'poor') TT rating, then most likely they are cheating....
It's not foolproof of course, since many here are cheating on the TT itself...but its the only good thing I see for the purpose of displaying the TT rating in the profile (to cross check with other factors).
Also if they move slow at the opening, that is a MAJOR red flag.
Also if they move slow at the opening, that is a MAJOR red flag.
I have been accused of cheating because of moving too fast in the opening...
In a 15m/10s game, I made the first fifteen moves in less than 1 minute and my oponnent accused by saying that "I was obviously using an engine, that only a 2000 player would play like that..."
I only play the scandinavian defence so I play it very fast.
The speed of the opening is not really a good indicator.
many people in chess.com use engines often or occasionally especially low rated. I've encountered many 900 elo players playing ultra strong and fast without even thinking...
Ive had a few games in the <1200 15-10 standard tournaments I felt that way about. Maybe Im just being a sore loser but getting steamrolled by a ~900 player makes you wonder.
Also if they move slow at the opening, that is a MAJOR red flag.
I have been accused of cheating because of moving too fast in the opening...
In a 15m/10s game, I made the first fifteen moves in less than 1 minute and my oponnent accused by saying that "I was obviously using an engine, that only a 2000 player would play like that..."
I only play the scandinavian defence so I play it very fast.
The speed of the opening is not really a good indicator.
Yes, it is. They tend to take a linear time to make the first 5 or 10 moves since they need to input your moves into their engine.
Also if they move slow at the opening, that is a MAJOR red flag.
I have been accused of cheating because of moving too fast in the opening...
In a 15m/10s game, I made the first fifteen moves in less than 1 minute and my oponnent accused by saying that "I was obviously using an engine, that only a 2000 player would play like that..."
I only play the scandinavian defence so I play it very fast.
The speed of the opening is not really a good indicator.
Yes, it is. They tend to take a linear time to make the first 5 or 10 moves since they need to input your moves into their engine.
And after the first 5 or 10 moves they are going to start moving faster?
why?
by linear, do you mean constant?
Of course if someone were cheating in this manner, they would not have a 900is rating. So I think it is quite unlikely you are going to see a 900ish cheater playing like this.
Chess.com, supposedly, sends out a message to people who attain a 2000 rating in any form of chess on the site telling them how CC works hard to catch cheaters. I think this is a pretty good sign of where the bulk of the cheating goes on.
Below this level, you're not going to find blantant cheaters. You are goin to find the ones who use an engine sometimes. And these are the ones that you would need many-many games to detect. Not silly things like how fast they open or their tactical ratings.
Also if they move slow at the opening, that is a MAJOR red flag.
I have been accused of cheating because of moving too fast in the opening...
In a 15m/10s game, I made the first fifteen moves in less than 1 minute and my oponnent accused by saying that "I was obviously using an engine, that only a 2000 player would play like that..."
I only play the scandinavian defence so I play it very fast.
The speed of the opening is not really a good indicator.
Yes, it is. They tend to take a linear time to make the first 5 or 10 moves since they need to input your moves into their engine.
And after the first 5 or 10 moves they are going to start moving faster?
why?
by linear, do you mean constant?
Not necessarily faster after the opening, in the opening itself if they take 1-2 seconds longer than usual to move, that is already a red flag. And after that, if they ouplay you and produce all these high level tactics, bingo.....
Linear = constant.
Of course if someone were cheating in this manner, they would not have a 900is rating. So I think it is quite unlikely you are going to see a 900ish cheater playing like this.
Chess.com, supposedly, sends out a message to people who attain a 2000 rating in any form of chess on the site telling them how CC works hard to catch cheaters. I think this is a pretty good sign of where the bulk of the cheating goes on.
Below this level, you're not going to find blantant cheaters. You are goin to find the ones who use an engine sometimes. And these are the ones that you would need many-many games to detect. Not silly things like how fast they open or their tactical ratings.
I've played many cheaters, I know how it works...I haven't played here for a while, but I play on Playchess, there are many cheats even in unrated games, trust me.......
And when after a few games getting beat by them, I sometimes pull out my own engine to cross check them, and lo and behold, my engine gets beat by them!
Nowadays with touch pad devices, it's MUCH worse....and they move faster.
Chess players are great at making excuses for losing games. Now, with the internet and engines, there are even more things to blame losses on.
Exactly what you would expect from a bunch of chess players.
Many times I see players whose rating is the same as mine (approx.) and when i visit their profiles people have left notes saying "engine user" or things to that effect.
I mean if anybody uses even a free engine like old free version of houdini, shouldn't his rating be about 2000+ at least. or am I missing something ?
It depends on how it is done...
Also if they move slow at the opening, that is a MAJOR red flag.
I have been accused of cheating because of moving too fast in the opening...
In a 15m/10s game, I made the first fifteen moves in less than 1 minute and my oponnent accused by saying that "I was obviously using an engine, that only a 2000 player would play like that..."
I only play the scandinavian defence so I play it very fast.
The speed of the opening is not really a good indicator.
Yes, it is. They tend to take a linear time to make the first 5 or 10 moves since they need to input your moves into their engine.
And after the first 5 or 10 moves they are going to start moving faster?
why?
by linear, do you mean constant?
Not necessarily faster after the opening, in the opening itself if they take 1-2 seconds longer than usual to move, that is already a red flag. And after that, if they ouplay you and produce all these high level tactics, bingo.....
Linear = constant.
No.
This is a linear function:
somebody taking 2 seconds in the first move, 4 in the second one, 6 in the third one, is also taking his time in a linear way.
you only need to follow the form f(x)= ax+b
time=2*(number of move) for this example.
that´s linear.
Great thread for trolling, so I will take my leave here.
Just a final word.
Trollish or shill behavior is one that never addresses the points of others and constantly deny, deny, and deny. That's all they do.
Troll = unpaid. Shill = paid.
Of course if someone were cheating in this manner, they would not have a 900is rating. So I think it is quite unlikely you are going to see a 900ish cheater playing like this.
Chess.com, supposedly, sends out a message to people who attain a 2000 rating in any form of chess on the site telling them how CC works hard to catch cheaters. I think this is a pretty good sign of where the bulk of the cheating goes on.
Below this level, you're not going to find blantant cheaters. You are goin to find the ones who use an engine sometimes. And these are the ones that you would need many-many games to detect. Not silly things like how fast they open or their tactical ratings.
I've played many cheaters, I know how it works...I haven't played here for a while, but I play on Playchess, there are many cheats even in unrated games, trust me.......
And when after a few games getting beat by them, I sometimes pull out my own engine to cross check them, and lo and behold, my engine gets beat by them!
Nowadays with touch pad devices, it's MUCH worse....and they move faster.
Oh, you are a cheater.
You should be banned.
I´ll report you, but probably you won´t get banned since you are premium.
Kleelof, then why are you here, if you have such a low opinion of us? I haven't seen you play a game yet, but then again, you wouldn't be hard to beat. I already checked you out. If you weren't so pathetic, you would be laughable, acting like you know it all on every single talk forum. Do you think people don't notice that? Come now, there's no one blind here, but perhaps you. But then again, since you hardly play, how do you come by this knowledge? Did it fall from the skies and only graced you on the way down? Do tell, I would love to hear it. You're full of nonsense.
I thought you were ignoring me?
i have played fellows and smashed them 2 or 3 games straight then lost the next one horribally...
yes they might be using enines but put it this way if you are keeping your own up against someone you belive is using an enigne... your doing a raet job...
1 way to beat them is to play a shorter ame... say you were playing a 30 min game when the next challene goes thru make it a 5 minute game and see if they are up to it.
also an easy way to tell if someone is using an engine is that once you play the game then if you win or lose put the game thru analysis and see if they have made any blunders...
yes when i first started on here i guessed i was rated around the 1200 mark but played people in the 800 rane and got smashed... they were 30 minute games though... when i changed it to a 10 minute game i started winning... also dont look for the 4 move checkmate type ames if you think soeone is using an engine... play a positional closed game with short amount of time...
look at my ratin and i am no one to be giving tips on how to win but all the games i play I am drunk and that is no excuse its the truth...
another way to think about it is if your playing aainst enines and coming up with a lose to draw bame your doing well above averae... internet elo scores dont rrally amount for much... i ean it doeasnt prove how ood of a player you are... challene the fella to an over the board ame and see how you o...