Low rated Engine users ?

Where does that leave the honest player who might spend 20 years of his life to get to 2000 but, he is constantly pushed back somewhere between 1500-2000 constantly, because of it ?

If you play 500 games and run into 5 or 6 cheaters, how far off do you think your numbers will be? It's not going to skew your rating so much that you can't accurately judge your improvement.

Do I hate cheaters? Bet your ass I do. But they are part of internet chess. To freak out over it isn't going to solve anything. I believe this sites staff do all they can to eliminate cheaters. It's not possible to find them all. So we all at some point will face a cheater or three. We can let that affect us and worry and fret over it, or we can accept it as the reality of internet chess and soldier on....

I don't see any way members can do more than report it to the staff if we believe someone was cheating. Then move on to the next opponent who hopefully isn't.

I am in no way advocating cheating. But I AM advocating not letting it bother us so much we lose perspective. Over time rating numbers will level out and any points lost to cheaters isn't going to mean much. And I still say "valuable points" is overstating the value of these ratings numbers. If you're 1560 instead of 1575 does it make you a worse player?

I wish they would eliminate the public rating system in V3 and go to a private one.

Peace

Considering I would play 250 games a year and run into a cheat 14% of the time by my calculations and about 10 points per game, multiplied by 20 years would equal the following.

250 * 0.14( cheated in 14% or games) = 35 games per year

35 * 10 = 350 points per year that I would lose

350 * 20 = 7000 ratings points in 20 years

Why, because it truly sheds light on the problem ?

Well, as you said , I would play games that make up for the loss of points but, It is entirely possible to be an 1800 in skill, who stays around 1500, because the cheating problem is bad, whether you'd like to think so or not.... I doubt I'd win any of the games in which I was cheated either.

Private rating system doesn't make any sense at all ...... Ratings / Rankings are always public, BTW I am very low-rated.

A few days back, one of my opponents accused me of cheating, because he lost 3 games in a row - and he was making stupid blunders, like hanging rooks etc.

I lost the 4th game and he was like "the engine couldn't save you this time" - I blundered something in the 4th game, you know the way games are decided at my level.

I mean some people don't even understand how good engines are. I didn't mind playing him a 4th game after his stupid accusation - but I never played a 5th against him.

This calculation is clearly inappropriate, the points that you gain or lose for a win or loss are decided based on your current rating. So in the long term, ones rating does remain as it should be - if you are a 1800 you would remain a 1800. The points you unjustly lose against cheaters will be compensated by the extra points you gain on your wins as a result of you being under-rated.

There are other kinds of ccheatings going on this website. There is a guy who makes fake accounts with small differences in the username, then loses some games intentionally - just to play in the <1200 1-minute Live Tournaments and then beats eeryone and wins. I feel pity for him!

Does anyone mind if I post the links to his profile, he is a cheater 100%, you can see that he has resigned after 2 or 3 moes in a lot of games. May be the staff can do something about it - if possible.

You are assuming that every game you play against a cheater you would have won against a non cheater. You may have lost some of those games anyway.

As far as I know, I have not played a cheater yet. Granted, I haven't played a lot of games. If and when I do, I'll turn in a card, hope I learned something for the game anyway and move on to the next opponent. It's not like we are playing for money or fame here. This is internet chess. If money was on the line, or a title or something of value that would be different....That's why I don't get why the hell anyone would cheat in the first place. It's a very stupid thing to do. There's no money at stake. No grandmaster norm or anything.... They don't learn anything from it. It is strange that anyone would cheat. Completely looney tune weird!

Those points you lose are just points. They aren't worth anything. They are a measuring stick for YOU to see improvement. If you know you've been cheated then you can add the points to your score in your head and know where you stand. Isn't that what's important? Or are those numbers some kind of status symbol to you?

Is that a qualified guess or did you do some analysis to get that number?

I did some analysis on my opponents and some of the opponents' opponents -- at th 1400-1800 level in blitz. My conclusion was that about 4-5% were regularily getting engine assistance (i.e some 10% of their analyzed games were more accurate and had lesser mistakes than Nakamura's best blitz game). If a player had better stats than Naka in one game, further analysis showed that he would have it in multiple games.

It is actually all relative to whom you play...

With all due respect, if I or any of us were able to take into consideration, every possible scenario and knew how to quaintly express it here, so we all could understand it, being confronted by an engine wouldn't matter. We'd beat them with our brain power...

No, those would just be the games in which I was cheated...

Imagine being good enough to play for money in person but, not being completely aware of it because, you get cheated so much that you lose frequently enough to have someone question their own ability. This could certainly be happening with players in the 2000-2200 range here.

You can try to calculate things in your head but, that doesn't come close to accounting for how the ripples in the pond are felt, that more directly affected others first. If you say to yourself that you should be 50 points further ahead, according to what computer analysis has to say about 5 of the games you lost but, you and most of the players should be 50-200 points ahead anyway, due to the far reaching effects of the problem to begin with, that is just a bad guess really.

Honestly I've only had one game where I thought an engine was being used. After looking at his game history I came to the conclusion he either used an engine since is twice or just had a great game against me. FYI he was rated around 650, I currently range 750-825.

That game against is long gone. Oh and typo in my last post..."engine once or twice" is what I meant to write. Even if he used an engine in that game, it wasn't his habit.

All this paranoia just brought me another "compliment":

"you play with compiuter do not play me with you you are cheter"

How do you block someone you think is using computer software for their games?

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