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playerafar
May 25, 2025
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#30861

I almost never say 'global warming' or 'climate change' without the 'manmade' in the front because otherwise whoever can just say that those are nothing new and have been going on for thousands of years.
Better to have that 'manmade' always there.

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playerafar
May 25, 2025
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#30862
mpaetz wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

The internet says we are in an interglacial period. Part of the Pleistocene ice age. But coming out of an ice age. I think they figure we are still in an ice age because there is natural ice. Most of the worlds history does not include ice. So this is relatively cold from an earth history perspective.

I don't see how there would be an expectation of cooling when leaving an ice age requires warming.

The Quaternary ice age has been going on for about 2,600,000 years (according to the internet). It has had numerous increases and decreases. Once stable conditions are reached for thousands of years (as has been the case for the last 8,000 years) the usual pattern is a reversal in temperature. So as we have reached a stable warm period, evidence suggests the next change will be cooling.

Even though this is by far the most likely course of events, there could be some other cosmic event occurring of which humans are unaware. Perhaps Venusians are running out of space oh their planet and are beaming a heat ray at Earth to warm it sufficiently to support Venusians lifeforms.

Venusians? Do they Play pool?

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Elroch
May 25, 2025
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#30863
TheeMafioso wrote:
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

I'm already back down to almost 150 so I don't even need to lose anymore (I'm 5'11). Basically dropped from the 190s to 155 since March of last year.

How splendid!

That is near the middle of the ideal zone of BMI. Many would be envious.

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Elroch
May 25, 2025
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#30864
playerafar wrote:

I almost never say 'global warming' or 'climate change' without the 'manmade' in the front because otherwise whoever can just say that those are nothing new and have been going on for thousands of years.
Better to have that 'manmade' always there.

Anthropogenic is the preferred scientific term, of course.

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Tamer
May 25, 2025
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RonaldJosephCote
May 25, 2025
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#30866

Is that the volcano off the western coast of the U.S.? They say if it erupts, there's gonna be a tsunami....... then Patriot Games is gonna be REAL angry. angry Nobody never told us about the dam underwater volcanos.....son of a....evil

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Tamer
May 25, 2025
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#30867
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

Is that the volcano off the western coast of the U.S.? They say if it erupts, there's gonna be a tsunami....... then Patriot Games is gonna be REAL angry. Nobody never told us about the dam underwater volcanos.....son of a....

No information on that, only Getty Images. But yes, there are numerous underwater volcanos in the Pacific Northwest.

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Minus_et_Cortex
May 25, 2025
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#30868

Guys,the thing that is fustrating me in Canada it's that electric cars are promoted by government and people who buy them receive money( because that you are helping the Earth to stop global warming.

Then,I checked the statistics,and because of the minerals,like carbon and lithium required to make electric cars,

They needed to destroy entire forests to build 330 and plus new mines.Guys,if you need to do that only for Québec,imagine the rest of the world.You think that you are good for the planet with an electric car,but the problem it's that they need a factory to build it,and the factory release an enormous quantity of C02 and an electric car takes an amount of 3 times the Lithium required for a diesel car.In statistics procured by mechanics hybrids cars and electrics cars takes average 15 years to be eco responsable,and lot of them don't stay on the route all this time.

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DiogenesDue
May 25, 2025
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Minus_et_Cortex wrote:

Guys,the thing that is fustrating me in Canada it's that electric cars are promoted by government and people who buy them receive money( because that you are helping the Earth to stop global warming.

Then,I checked the statistics,and because of the minerals,like carbon and lithium required to make electric cars,

They needed to destroy entire forests to build 330 and plus new mines.Guys,if you need to do that only for Québec,imagine the rest of the world.You think that you are good for the planet with an electric car,but the problem it's that they need a factory to build it,and the factory release an enormous quantity of C02 and an electric car takes an amount of 3 times the Lithium required for a diesel car.In statistics procured by mechanics hybrids cars and electrics cars takes average 15 years to be eco responsable,and lot of them don't stay on the route all this time.

Your perceptions of relative scales of damage are way off.

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lfPatriotGames
May 25, 2025
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#30870
Elroch wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
festers-siesta wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Elroch wrote:
limakkk3004 wrote:

From a broader perspective,

You don't change a fact by changing "perspective"

global warming may be caused by the natural alternation of glacial and interglacial periods

No, it simply ain't. Global warming is the rapid rise in temperature since the industrial revolution - dominating tiny natural variation over the last 8000 years - caused virtually 100% by anthropogenic greenhouse gases.

, but the existence of humans and their negative impact on the environment intensifies this phenomenon many times over.

That is not a valid way to describe changing no detectible warming (under 0.1 degrees) into sharp warming expected to reach 2.7 degrees or so without very big changes to behaviour.

Fester, this is the specific post. The comment about glacial and inter glacial periods was followed by Elrochs comment specifically about THAT particular comment. No mention made in the original comment about current climate change. In fact, the original comment, as you can see, includes referring to glaciers and inter glacial.

Repeating your dishonest claim only makes you more foolish. You know what he meant. Just stop the sham.

What claim? Elroch made the claim "no it simply aint" when referring to the glacial comment. I'm not making any claim other than quoting Elroch. Well, I guess I'm making the claim that I believe global cooling has, and is, caused by interglacial periods.

I KNOW he feels like modern climate change is human caused. But that wasn't the comment, or the reply.

I am getting bored of the repeated error (to be polite).

The comment was about global warming, the rise in temperature experienced by the world since the industrial revolution. This is human-caused. It is definitely not caused by what you said.

These are not feelings, they are scientific facts. It's like I don't "feel" that atoms have a nucleus surrounded by electrons, I know this based on reliable scientific knowledge. I think you would agree you have a lot less of this.

No. Global warming is the rise in global temperature at ANY time in earths history, not just recently. It makes no difference if you feel otherwise. Global warming and global cooling have been going on for all of earths history. The comment about glacial and inter glacial periods makes it pretty clear the context is broad, NOT limited to your industrial revolution.

I think what happens is you get tunnel vision. You get so focused on what you already believe it can be difficult to process something that is different than what you hold dear. We already KNOW you believe strongly in human caused global warming. That's not the issue. The issue is things beyond that, in addition to that. The original poster even said they agreed global warming is accelerated or made worse by human activity. But you just focused on the glacial comment.

I'm not sure what you mean by "error" as I just copied what you said. Of course global climate change has been caused by glacial activity, I don't believe that's an "error". Maybe on the topic of glacial activity causing global warming or cooling we'll just agree to disagree.

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lfPatriotGames
May 25, 2025
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RonaldJosephCote wrote:

Is that the volcano off the western coast of the U.S.? They say if it erupts, there's gonna be a tsunami....... then Patriot Games is gonna be REAL angry. Nobody never told us about the dam underwater volcanos.....son of a....

Why would that make anyone angry? I survived the Mt. St. Helens eruption, which is a LOT closer than any ocean volcano. So I'm not too worried. Besides, when Mt. St. Helens blew 90% or more of the ash ended up in states east of us because of the prevailing winds. We got very little of it.

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lfPatriotGames
May 25, 2025
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#30872
playerafar wrote:

I almost never say 'global warming' or 'climate change' without the 'manmade' in the front because otherwise whoever can just say that those are nothing new and have been going on for thousands of years.
Better to have that 'manmade' always there.

You are exactly right. People can agree or disagree about things like climate change and global warming and global cooling, But because there are different causes it only makes sense to specify which type is being referred to.

It seems highly likely climate change that may be caused by glacial activity is going to be very different than climate change that may be caused by people.

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power_9_the_people
May 25, 2025
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lfPatriotGames wrote:
playerafar wrote:

I almost never say 'global warming' or 'climate change' without the 'manmade' in the front because otherwise whoever can just say that those are nothing new and have been going on for thousands of years.
Better to have that 'manmade' always there.

You are exactly right. People can agree or disagree about things like climate change and global warming and global cooling, But because there are different causes it only makes sense to specify which type is being referred to.

It seems highly likely climate change that may be caused by glacial activity is going to be very different than climate change that may be caused by people.

If you're interested in the big picture I suggest Robert M Schoch's book Forgotten Civilisation . And the Dr was at Cosmic Summit 2024. Clip on utube

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power_9_the_people
May 25, 2025
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Maybe pseudohistorical and pseudoscientific like Wikipedia says but very interesting. I ve been given this book among an heterobunch of others recently, kind of like new stuff to me opening my horizons a bit 🌊

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Tamer
May 25, 2025
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#30875
lfPatriotGames wrote:
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

Is that the volcano off the western coast of the U.S.? They say if it erupts, there's gonna be a tsunami....... then Patriot Games is gonna be REAL angry. Nobody never told us about the dam underwater volcanos.....son of a....

Why would that make anyone angry? I survived the Mt. St. Helens eruption, which is a LOT closer than any ocean volcano. So I'm not too worried. Besides, when Mt. St. Helens blew 90% or more of the ash ended up in states east of us because of the prevailing winds. We got very little of it.

Not about what RJC epostulated.. rather, what's more likely to melt glaciers. The methane released by cows, certainly not.

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power_9_the_people
May 25, 2025
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#30876

Try roast lamb long and slow at low temperature

https://www.reddit.com/r/meat/comments/1eh1pa9/how_do_you_guys_cook_lamb/?

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Elroch
May 25, 2025
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#30877

I have found using good ingredients and spices makes food taste very good. Can be very simple. This one has quinoa as the starchy part. Main protein is the simplest thing possible, heated tinned mackerel in sun-dried tomato sauce. One of the side vegetables is spinach, with an ounce of cheese melted in with a little garlic, the other was cauliflower with some spices (steamed for a couple of minutes)

Took about 10 minutes using 2 microwaves. I just followed the instructions.

Oh, it's kefir and chia seeds on the side. Meant to be Greek yoghurt, but I am trying to lose a little fat.

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Elroch
May 25, 2025
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lfPatriotGames wrote:
playerafar wrote:

I almost never say 'global warming' or 'climate change' without the 'manmade' in the front because otherwise whoever can just say that those are nothing new and have been going on for thousands of years.
Better to have that 'manmade' always there.

You are exactly right. People can agree or disagree about things like climate change and global warming and global cooling, But because there are different causes it only makes sense to specify which type is being referred to.

Yes, and if you look it up the established meaning of "global warming" is the recent anthropogenic global warming, as I already explained.

The only reason there is ever a reason to explain it is for people who neither know what the established meaning is, nor have the good habit of looking up things whether they know or not (as I did). i.e. people like you. It is extremely annoying when such people then ignore what they have just been told (as you have).

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power_9_the_people
May 25, 2025
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#30879

Quite Recently began Yughurt like you're saying and probably still will whatever but some Dr on Tik Tok in nutrition says -- and it's a bummer -- this yogurt, although it has a low glycemic index which would be great for diabetics like me, is high in another index

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Elroch
May 25, 2025
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#30880

Greek yoghurt is like double cream, but it has a fair amount of fat compared to ordinary yoghurt. There is a low fat version which I believe is pretty good. I am more used to kefir - been using it since I heard it was good for my gut microbioeme.