Global warming - an urgent problem requiring radical solution (no politics or religion)

i embraced my stupidity a long time ago. its self-honest. and will exonerate humor & help bloom what acacias u felt hadnt made it thru the winter.

i know ur not gonna tell me...but id luv2know whats actually in ur briefcase...hmmm.

What you're talking about there is something else again.
its called 'cherrypicking'. It has varying degrees of being deliberate. Intentional.
It can be deliberate conscious cherrypicking.
Or a failure to think.
Or various shades of grey in between.
For example - intentional internal misunderstanding.
Deliberate semantics maneuvering.
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the cemeteries have a lot of people who can't experience anything.
Refusal to recognize regional (or 'local' - an ambiguous word) versus global - 
is a way of serving notice like this:
'you can't make me interpret and recognize the words the way you want me to!'
Happens constantly all over the world.
In various kinds of venues.
Including in courtrooms.
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The effects of climate change can be experienced locally. Climate change is a global phenomenon leading to a rise in the average global temperature and resulting in ‘polarisation’. Cold places could get colder and hot places could get warmer. The reverse could also happen. To make an analogy, a particular football team got 2 goals in their first game and 4 goals in their second one. Because of the new coach’s erratic judgement, in the next season they got no goals in their first game and five goals in their second game.

This results in a change in the climate of regions, which then interact to create changes in a smaller area, like a town’s climate. You haven’t responded to Elroch’s post, by the way.

Hi L
A lot of fun discussions could be had about colours.
'adding black to something'
I like that one!
Teal is a nice colour.
I have my desktop background set to a mixture of blue and green.
With no red in it.
And with more blue than green. For decades.
Its called ultramarine. Can be dark or light or in between.
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In some colour controls you can set the amount of red green blue.
With the number 255 involved.
Supposedly any colour can then be created simply by doing so.
(painters supposedly used yellow instead of green as 'primary'?)
RGB are the primary colours. Links to how the human retina works.
But when the colours are mixed - do they use particular wavelengths of each colour as 'the primary colour'? My guess is yes. Maybe according to 'maximum receptitivity'. 
But its just a guess. Or rather - two guesses.
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To make a pun about that last one
I never looked into that one.

That's what I thought too originally. But my source says otherwise. My source says that no, you "cannot" experience it locally.

I did respond to Elrochs post. But he brought up statistics, which is a different topic for a different day. I was just focusing on Festers comment about global climate. Now he thinks asking if global climate and global climate change can be experienced locally is "stupid". I thought that was what this entire topic was about, climate change.

Because everywhere in the world is local. To someone. So if it can't be experienced locally, it can't be experienced at all. And if it can't be experienced at all, that's probably even more reason to not worry about it.

Climate change cannot be experienced locally. Its effects can. Who’s your source?

Climate change cannot be experienced locally? I thought experience IS the effects of something. Are you saying the effects of climate change are different than the experience of climate change?

At any rate, that's outstanding news. Everyday you hear news stories about the local experiences of climate change. I guess that's what they call fake news.

Say a war starts in the world. The people near the border will be experiencing the war. Say the country being invaded which is weak militarily, provides 90% of a particular mineral which is very important for humans. Prices will hike, companies will not be able to make profits, and as a result, mass layoffs commence. In a town where the companies using this mineral employ most of its working population, when the mass layoffs occur, people will become jobless, with impoverishment likely coming next. That would be the war’s effects at work.

Well, what a surprise...Lola's turned her attentions to an older man. We all know what "luv2know what's in your briefcase" means, after all.

I'm far, far more precise than you are, even on my most poetic of days.

That seems like a pretty good example. So the locals, the people nearby would be experiencing it, while those much further away would feel the effects. If I understand you, it would be experienced locally, but the effects would be broader.

That’s pretty much it. And thank you for the compliment.

It seems difficult for anyone to make this simple enough for you, But how about this,

You cannot experience the global mean surface temperature. All you can experience is the local temperature.

Now, you might say this means the global mean surface temperature does not matter. This would be foolish. The global mean surface temperature is the average of all local mean surface temperatures. If the global mean surface temperature goes it, it means a lot of local mean surface temperatures have gone up. I feel you can comprehend that this matters locally. You acknowledge that local mean surface temperature rise is of significance.

Simple enough?

I notice you dodged the question about what YOU mean by "global climate". How can anyone answer the questions you pose if you do not elucidate what it is that you are talking about?

If we follow your logic, it seems that there is no such thing as global climate change (although you have repeatedly pointed out that such change has happened naturally many times). Under your theory people in the area we now call Quebec 50,000 years ago wouldn't have to worry that the global temperature was declining, as they couldn't experience global climate change. Imagine their surprise when their homeland was under immense sheets of ice.

But you say that was only local climate change, so the people in North Africa shouldn't have had to worry that trapping so much of the planet's water in ice sheets would dry out their homeland, killing the plant life they (and the animals they hunted) lived on. And not to worry when the global warming came along and changed the plains where they lived into the Sahara Desert. And people in low-lying coastal areas wouldn't be affected when the melting glaciers in some other locality raised sea levels a few hundred feet.

Global climate is the sum and average of all local climates. Global climate change WILL result in changing conditions everywhere. In some place the change will be negligible, in other places it will be severe.

Incidentally, measuring and comparing all these variations and changes as we have been doing IS statistics.

In addition to news and information about what's been happening ...
there's also news predictions about what's going to happen.
Including in the short term.
Record temperatures expected in the US southeast on Monday and Tuesday.
In other words in about five days from now.
In other words - at the summer solstice.
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other predictions (these are mine and they're 'conditional')
If the disastrous new record temps happen then we may get from those disagreeing
'it was going to happen anyway'
or - if the records don't happen then ...
'See?? fear-mongering again' ....
Yes we'll be waiting and seeing but its getting close.
And there's another prediction (by me)
We'll see from many or most of those disagreeing 'you've got to keep waiting and seeing and nothing should be done about it'
or - 'what are You doing about it??'
They sure don't want governments doing something about it. Not ever.
As it gets worse - maybe we'll get 'We'll adapt. You won't. We're ready.'

Its developing in the news.
Not just for the southeastern US.
Major heat dome. Likely to impact many areas of the US.
ABC NBC CBS Reuters and AP all have articles.
Record-breaking heat expected starting on the weekend.
Why isn't this all over the news yet?
I don't know.
Five day forecasts and for further ahead not as sure perhaps?

Yes record breaking.

Eastern NC average for June and July are 85 and 89 respectively with rare 90s in June. This forecast is for the next week and while each day does not break a record, the number of days of continuous 90s does.

Also the following week will remain in the low 90s.