Global warming - an urgent problem requiring radical solution (no politics or religion)

No.

You may think everyone has their own personal facts which do not have to be consistent. This is simply not so. People have their own personal BELIEFS about what is objectively true and some of them are objectively WRONG.

You are an example of someone who has arrived at a false belief by basing it on unreliable sources. Even if you haven't realised it you are a conspiracy theorist who believes that the governments of every nation on the planet agreed to sign that human beings were causing climate change and agreed that this was important enough to do something about it without any of this being true.

Does this make the slightest sense? Those governments agree that 2 + 2 = 4, but anything much more contentious than that and you will find divergence of views.

Do post a link to a good example of the sort of material on which you base your beliefs (assuming you have ever read anything on the subject).

The sun and volcanic activity are the main drivers behind climate. Millions of earths could fit inside the sun and volcanic activity has been increasing. It’s not big bad wolf carbon. Carbon is plant food.... billions of us breathe it into the atmosphere since forever on a second to second basis. Trees and plants filter carbon then produce oxygen which we would all die without (SCIENTIFIC FACT) Global warming is real as part of a natural cycle mainly driven by the sun. Man made global warming is a hoax with carbon as the boogie man to get citizens of the world to buy into a multi trillion dollar global carbon tax which Denmark has been buying into since the 1940s. Indeed Objective reality over time is the climate alarmists/profiteers worst enemy. Al gore is probably the most out spoken person on man made global warming but refuses to ever debate anyone. Why ? because he knows that it’s bunk based on pseudo science with a profiteering agenda behind it......Again I stress this isent my information. Anyone with the internet can research and find everything I’ve ever posted on this thread

The atmosphere drives climate.

 

This discussion sounds like religion saying ''I am the true religion, follow me because the others are wrong and working for the devil''.Elroch will defend their position and belief to the end and nothing will change their mind, I accept that as the case, however in return it is polite to acknowledge other points of views no matter how they may conflict with your own belief. Therefore it is neither my place nor yours to try and change someone`s beliefs but rather respect it and allow it.

 

People can have whatever beliefs they like but FACTS are FACTS. Some believe that the Earth is flat but mathematics, science and plain observation have proved them wrong. 

Saying that "nothing will change their mind" is also incorrect. If a respected scientist come forward with an alternative theory for warming that was supported by data and peer reviewed science (and the scientific community reached a consensus that it was correct) then I would have to change my view. Even if the matter was more open to doubt - if 60% of scientists attributed warming to human co2 and 40% had other explanations - then I would be more circumspect about climate change. But it isn't 60% vs 40%. Its 97% vs 3%. And the 3% have produced no data to support their theories. It is probable that even the 3% believe human co2 to be contributing to warming but they feel there are other factors as well. 

On top of all of this are other reasons why phasing out fossil fuels gradually would be a good idea: 

- over reliance on oil rich countries like Saudi Arabia

- other pollutants (esp from coal) 

- ocean acidification 

 

You have not yet responded to my request to provide a link to some source of information on which your beliefs are based. Or are they based on nothing?

Pope Francis says "climate change is a challenge of "epochal proportions".  Now who can argue with that! 

Scientism versus Anti-Government Zealotry.  And the Band Keeps Marching On ??

If you want to recognize what this Global Climate Change thread is doing to your HUMAN conversation, just watch this video from Trevor Noah --

https://deadline.com/2018/06/trevor-noah-facebook-sold-personal-data-chinese-polarization-strategy-huawei-daily-show-video-1202405254/

 

"Hell is Truth Seen Too Late."  Wake up and Smell the Roses.  The Joke is on US.

It might sound like that to someone who has no understanding of what science is, or why it works, or of any of the science that is relevant to conclusions about climate change. Someone like you, perhaps?

Here we have someone who can not bear another person to have a differing opinion to theirs, their pattern will defend their belief even if it kills them and it may even do that. Actually, they can not see or hear anyone else and so to stop having to feel they will continually gather facts and figures to be acknowledged and heard..this pattern is called chronic 

First note that I respect your right to have an opinion. There is no law that says that you must not believe things that are nonsense. But I will not give fake credence to nonsensical beliefs about objective facts, any more than if you claim that the Moon is made of green cheese or AIDS is caused by black magic.

Your mistake is in thinking that all opinions carry equal weight. Absolutely not! There are 7.4 billion people in the world. Almost all of their opinions on almost all questions of objective scientific truth carry no independent weight at all. For your opinion on a question of objective scientific truth to be of relevance you need to be one of the most expert in the world. That is because that expertise is necessary to reach reliable conclusions on less obvious questions (for example everyone is qualified to say that a stone will not float, even though technically this is a scientific question. Not everyone is qualified to judge whether neutrinos have mass).

It's a bit like you want to get an assessment of a specific chess position. You can consult a random patzer or you can consult a sample of super-grandmasters (and/or the best chess engines).

Which is of any relevance to the question? Hint it's only one of them.

Yes you can have your own opinion, but I know enough to understand it is irrelevant and has no reason to be indicative of the objective truth. You don't.

Hint: you still haven't been able to provide any basis for your guess. If you can figure out why, it may help. But probably not, for psychological reasons.

Yes.  But the internet and neo-liberalism (in the European sense) are undermining the public respect for "expert authority."  All the while certain sectors of the economy make a killing disrupting labor markets, and undermining public authority.  The Wisdom of Crowds and Open Source software are both prime examples this Orwellian nightmare.

Hang onto Your Hats, the ride is picking up speed.

There is a very good classic book called "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds".

Here is my feeling: As far as I know, global warming is true. I have no reason to doubt the experts. I think it is good (even if you believe it is false) to take care of the environment. The thing I don’t like is when the environment or nature is placed above human lives. That’s it for my two cents.

The environment and nature are paramount to human lives.

Here we have someone who can not bear another person to have a differing opinion to theirs, their pattern will defend their belief even if it kills them and it may even do that. Actually, they can not see or hear anyone else and so to stop having to feel they will continually gather facts and figures to be acknowledged and heard..this pattern is called chronic.

Elroch says

Yes you can have your own opinion, but I know enough to understand it is irrelevant and has no reason to be indicative of the objective truth....which translates into ''I am always correct''

and this is how the pattern of chronic works, they will never be wrong and will try and discredit anyone having an opposing view.

Informing people of the global warming is enough for them to learn. The frequent feedback of climate changes will eventually realized them.

 

You do realise that climate change will put many lives at risk and could make certain areas of the planet uninhabitable. There will also be much damage to coastal regions and that will entail the huge cost of relocating or rebuilding certain cities. All this, just because we are addicted to using fossil fuels.