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The bit on the business aspect of things was precisely what I meant when I mentioned forum contributions helping the site with an investment of time rather than money. I find you to be very coherent and agreeable.

So I agree, perhaps it is not enough to implement something which mutes people for whatever, but a system which encourages and rewards helpful, detailed and verbose forum posts sounds good for everyone.

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See here the nonsense in unanswered posts which I have responded to in the last couple of days:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/to-1738

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/for-beginners/gracias

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/draw-363

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/franz

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/adee

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/for-beginners/sfss

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/endgames/mate-75

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/who-else-likes-to-eat-eggplants-and-play-chess

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/for-beginners/babi-end

Why am I the one to look at unanswered posts rather than a moderator? Can they not be deleted? Yet in the same period I've seen someone ask how to copy a game over from L*****s (he didn't asterisk it) because he thought the analysis tool here was better. You guessed it, it was almost instantly censored despite the OP citing the superior analysis tools here.

In addition to this, last week I was automated for 24hrs...randomly, I had done nothing. I email help & support and get an email back 22 hrs later, 2 hrs before the mute finishes explaining that I had used some shut the front door acronym - absolutely 100% not true. Pi$$ed off to be honest, I do little but chirp in with advice and a bit of humour on these forums yet I get some crappy automute for nothing which can't be challenged, and my email goes unanswered until it's too late anyway. Meanwhile the spamtards continue to post their nonsense and real human moderators waste their time deleting the names of rival sites as though by doing this people won't know they exist. So my growing realisation and current opinion is that the whole thing is a mess. That's my rant for the day anyway. 

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I couldn’t agree with @Strangemover more. I both loathe and enjoy the forums. The incessant nine year old posts make me wonder what went wrong in the shallow end of the gene pool. I’m sure I’ve added some useless postings as well, but merely from a humor-leaden format. (Hopefully) But the vision you speak of is lacking and could use an infusion of fresh ideas. 

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Can't say the llama is wrong. Even I'm gettin kind of pissed off by these occasional HI and BYE forums here and there!

Avatar of RichardMCraven
Ziryab wrote:

Most of them are culturally illiterate, too.

Whatever happened to reading?

Well said. I couldn't agree more!

Avatar of Wits-end
sree64 wrote:

Can't say the llama is wrong. Even I'm gettin kind of pissed off by these occasional HI and BYE forums here and there!

thumbup.png Wish they were only occasional though. 

Avatar of Wits-end
RichardMCraven wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

Most of them are culturally illiterate, too.

Whatever happened to reading?

Well said. I couldn't agree more!

thumbup.png Indeed. But what would they be reading? Unless they are required, inspired, and expected to read they simply won’t.... unless the narrative is broken down into, lol, rotfl, lmao, wtf, tbh, wth, gg... omg... 

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Wits-end hat geschrieben:
RichardMCraven wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

Most of them are culturally illiterate, too.

Whatever happened to reading?

Well said. I couldn't agree more!

 Indeed. But what would they be reading? Unless they are required, inspired, and expected to read they simply won’t.... unless the narrative is broken down into, lol, rotfl, lmao, wtf, tbh, wth, gg... omg... 

When I was in elementary and middle school I read books because they were infinitely more interesting than the real world. Once I got mad that my parents wouldn’t let me read (time to sleep) so I stayed awake until 11pm so I could go get a book to read.

Avatar of Wits-end
B1ZMARK wrote:
Wits-end hat geschrieben:
RichardMCraven wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

Most of them are culturally illiterate, too.

Whatever happened to reading?

Well said. I couldn't agree more!

 Indeed. But what would they be reading? Unless they are required, inspired, and expected to read they simply won’t.... unless the narrative is broken down into, lol, rotfl, lmao, wtf, tbh, wth, gg... omg... 

When I was in elementary and middle school I read books because they were infinitely more interesting than the real world. Once I got mad that my parents wouldn’t let me read (time to sleep) so I stayed awake until 11pm so I could go get a book to read.

And you probably had a flashlight under your bed covers too. I’m sure my mom knew, they know everything, but i was reading! 

Avatar of Zycirline

My parents couldn’t complain about my reading so they complained that I had no friends

so I made friends by playing the same video games as them, then they complained about my video games (eye roll)

Avatar of Zycirline

Now I have no friends again because I play chess and not video games. And my parents complain that I do too much chess.

Avatar of Wits-end
B1ZMARK wrote:

Now I have no friends again because I play chess and not video games. And my parents complain that I do too much chess.

Well, i agree with your parents, video games just kind of suck out your brains. Chess just kind of draws us in and then messes with our brains. As for friends, i can count my true friends on one hand, and have several fingers left over. So, count your true friends, enjoy chess, and don’t completely lose your mind. Not completely. 

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llama47 wrote:

Not everyone comes online for the same reason, and not everyone... is the same type of person. I'm sure 10 year old me would have made a long rambling profile that included what my favorite colors were, and I'd be very interested in how many "friends" I had and clubs I'd joined.

My gripe is with the administrators. You should have a vision for what you want the forums to be, and then have moderators who will facilitate it.

Surely no sane vision involves pure garbage like this:

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Lol I was on that forum. No one would share last with me sad.png

Avatar of batgirl
llama47 wrote:

 

My gripe is with the administrators. You should have a vision for what you want the forums to be, and then have moderators who will facilitate it.

Chess.com opened its doors before any chess-playing capabilities had been incorporated into the site. The forums were pretty much the "face" of chess.com, backed up by blogs and articles (although I think my friend @billwall -now @minichess - had the only published articles when I joined on June 13, 2007).   Sometime in Aug. 2007, Daily Chess was released.   Around Feb., 2008 Live Chess started in a Beta version. This was probably the impetus for memberships to skyrocket. 
Still, for years the forums were out front. Erik and other staff visited them often and for the most part they attracted mature individuals even if some of those were trolls.  At that time children were discouraged from chess.com. Chesskids was created at some point and this offered a very controlled environment (if rather juvenile) where parents didn't have to worry about content.  Somewhere along the line all this was scrapped and Quantity became god.  The more people, the better. That this is supposedly a chess site became secondary.  The forums became the haven of the Least Common Denominator and nobody in management ever seemed to care outside of some passing nod.   Now they care even less. and Quantity isn't only a god, it's the Only God.   About the only rule that is sacrosanct is the no-mention-of-cheating rule. Even this rule once had meaning since it discouraged tons of garbage posts... but now garbage posts are ignored (and by extension, encouraged) but that one rule persists without any of its original merit.

There IS indeed a vision... but it's not one that puts chess or quality first, if those two things have any place at all anymore.

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BattleChessGN18 wrote:
llama47 wrote:
BattleChessGN18 wrote:

Red herring isn't helping you, either.

Drunkiness isn't an excuse. You're here, and you're typing (not incoherently).

Well, a lot of people like to fight online for the sake of having others watch them... I'm a little different, at least when I'm drunk... I don't care who's watching as long as you're entertaining to me.

Right now you're not doing a good job. You're boring.

See that? First, kids can't post well-meaning posts. Next,  BattleChessGN18 is boring. (Despite my developed thoughts on your attitude and behaviour?) 

Do you pride yourself on being unintegrous and dishonest the way you are right now?

By simple detective work, I have uncovered the poster's identity...

https://timburt.org/2019/08/19/the-high-road-is-your-road/

The internet's only other usage of the word "unintegrous"...

Avatar of Wits-end
btickler wrote:
BattleChessGN18 wrote:
llama47 wrote:
BattleChessGN18 wrote:

Red herring isn't helping you, either.

Drunkiness isn't an excuse. You're here, and you're typing (not incoherently).

Well, a lot of people like to fight online for the sake of having others watch them... I'm a little different, at least when I'm drunk... I don't care who's watching as long as you're entertaining to me.

Right now you're not doing a good job. You're boring.

See that? First, kids can't post well-meaning posts. Next,  BattleChessGN18 is boring. (Despite my developed thoughts on your attitude and behaviour?) 

Do you pride yourself on being unintegrous and dishonest the way you are right now?

By simple detective work, I have uncovered the poster's identity...

https://timburt.org/2019/08/19/the-high-road-is-your-road/

The internet's only other usage of the word "unintegrous"...

Hmmm, i just searched and found a lot more than one. 

Avatar of llama47
btickler wrote:
BattleChessGN18 wrote:
llama47 wrote:
BattleChessGN18 wrote:

Red herring isn't helping you, either.

Drunkiness isn't an excuse. You're here, and you're typing (not incoherently).

Well, a lot of people like to fight online for the sake of having others watch them... I'm a little different, at least when I'm drunk... I don't care who's watching as long as you're entertaining to me.

Right now you're not doing a good job. You're boring.

See that? First, kids can't post well-meaning posts. Next,  BattleChessGN18 is boring. (Despite my developed thoughts on your attitude and behaviour?) 

Do you pride yourself on being unintegrous and dishonest the way you are right now?

By simple detective work, I have uncovered the poster's identity...

https://timburt.org/2019/08/19/the-high-road-is-your-road/

The internet's only other usage of the word "unintegrous"...

Nice detective work.

Avatar of DiogenesDue
Wits-end wrote:
btickler wrote:
BattleChessGN18 wrote:
llama47 wrote:
BattleChessGN18 wrote:

Red herring isn't helping you, either.

Drunkiness isn't an excuse. You're here, and you're typing (not incoherently).

Well, a lot of people like to fight online for the sake of having others watch them... I'm a little different, at least when I'm drunk... I don't care who's watching as long as you're entertaining to me.

Right now you're not doing a good job. You're boring.

See that? First, kids can't post well-meaning posts. Next,  BattleChessGN18 is boring. (Despite my developed thoughts on your attitude and behaviour?) 

Do you pride yourself on being unintegrous and dishonest the way you are right now?

By simple detective work, I have uncovered the poster's identity...

https://timburt.org/2019/08/19/the-high-road-is-your-road/

The internet's only other usage of the word "unintegrous"...

Hmmm, i just searched and found a lot more than one. 

...it's a joke wink.png.

This is doubly funny, because recently some posters were crowing about my use of the wink emoji, but as soon as I omit it even one time...

Avatar of llama47
batgirl wrote:
llama47 wrote:

 

My gripe is with the administrators. You should have a vision for what you want the forums to be, and then have moderators who will facilitate it.

Chess.com opened its doors before any chess-playing capabilities had been incorporated into the site. The forums were pretty much the "face" of chess.com, backed up by blogs and articles (although I think my friend @billwall -now @minichess - had the only published articles when I joined on June 13, 2007).   Sometime in Aug. 2007, Daily Chess was released.   Around Feb., 2008 Live Chess started in a Beta version. This was probably the impetus for memberships to skyrocket. 
Still, for years the forums were out front. Erik and other staff visited them often and for the most part they attracted mature individuals even if some of those were trolls.  At that time children were discouraged from chess.com. Chesskids was created at some point and this offered a very controlled environment (if rather juvenile) where parents didn't have to worry about content.  Somewhere along the line all this was scrapped and Quantity became god.  The more people, the better. That this is supposedly a chess site became secondary.  The forums became the haven of the Least Common Denominator and nobody in management every seems to care outside of some passing nod.   Now they care even less. and Quantity isn't only a god, it's the Only God.   About the only rule that is sacrosanct is the no-mention-of-cheating rule. Even this rule once had meaning since it discouraged tons of garbage posts... but now garbage posts are ignored (and by extension, encouraged) but that one rule persists without any of its original merit.

There IS indeed a vision... but it's not one that puts chess or quality first, if those two things have any place at all anymore.

Sounds about right, thanks for the insight.

Avatar of DiogenesDue
llama47 wrote:
batgirl wrote:
llama47 wrote:

 

My gripe is with the administrators. You should have a vision for what you want the forums to be, and then have moderators who will facilitate it.

Chess.com opened its doors before any chess-playing capabilities had been incorporated into the site. The forums were pretty much the "face" of chess.com, backed up by blogs and articles (although I think my friend @billwall -now @minichess - had the only published articles when I joined on June 13, 2007).   Sometime in Aug. 2007, Daily Chess was released.   Around Feb., 2008 Live Chess started in a Beta version. This was probably the impetus for memberships to skyrocket. 
Still, for years the forums were out front. Erik and other staff visited them often and for the most part they attracted mature individuals even if some of those were trolls.  At that time children were discouraged from chess.com. Chesskids was created at some point and this offered a very controlled environment (if rather juvenile) where parents didn't have to worry about content.  Somewhere along the line all this was scrapped and Quantity became god.  The more people, the better. That this is supposedly a chess site became secondary.  The forums became the haven of the Least Common Denominator and nobody in management every seems to care outside of some passing nod.   Now they care even less. and Quantity isn't only a god, it's the Only God.   About the only rule that is sacrosanct is the no-mention-of-cheating rule. Even this rule once had meaning since it discouraged tons of garbage posts... but now garbage posts are ignored (and by extension, encouraged) but that one rule persists without any of its original merit.

There IS indeed a vision... but it's not one that puts chess or quality first, if those two things have any place at all anymore.

Sounds about right, thanks for the insight.

Eventually, the "hi" posts will actually drive posters away...but we have to wait for about 10-20 years for the current boom crop of Beth Harmon chess kids to leave their parent's homes at about 30 and become fully functioning adults.

Hmmm...I sound cynical today.

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