If the universe requires a creator then the creator should require a creator = religion is made-up

So God told them what to write about slavery? Even Exodus 21?........where it clearly states that owning slaves is supported by god? Not only is god condoning owning slaves, he tells who to buy them from and how to treat them.

I think that owning people as property is immoral. Why am I more moral than your god?

But if people really believed in a unicorn and thought this unicorn was going to guide them through their lives...........there would be a profound effect on those people, but that doesn't mean that unicorns are real and exist.

What is more likely. That billions of people are sharing the same hallucination simultaneously,or that it's real? Like I've said before, you're not entitled to any evidence anyway.

this discussion will never end, it has been going for thousands of years andwont stop so everyone just believe what they want to believe and we will all live happily ever after

More likely doesn't mean "true". Sorry you dont understand how logic and evidence works.

That's right because some people are scared to admit that their beliefs are wrong.  Because their god promises to punish them if they do not believe...........so when you show them that their holy book is wrong, guess what, they CANT believe it.

They fear their god. Since their god will punish them for disbelieving in him, its quite easy to see why they cannot disbelieve.

So, if they got rid of their fear, this question would be solved within seconds.

Let's pretend that I believe in Unicorns and this Great and Almighty unicorn has provided a message to all mankind. In this message, the Unicorn promises to punish those that do not believe in him or his message.

So, if you come along and show me errors in this message that is provided for all mankind and I cannot believe those errors............why would you think that I couldn't?  FEAR of being punished or some other reason?

Which error in the Bible would you like to start with first, drpsholder ?

In the name of fairness, Lets define who & what we are before we start discussing this. I am a Bible beleiving christian. Are you a atheist, an agnostic, or a devil worshiper?

God Is. 

There is no "creator" in that the Universe we live in is the Creator. 

God Is. 

Everything from you and I to the smallest particle to the largest sun is part of a vast consciousness. Everything lives through it, this greater mind. Just my opinion, but!

I recommend you watch here. It's beautiful. 

In addition, no one's beliefs are wrong. Everyone's beliefs contribute to a greater fundamental reality. We used to think that the Universe had certain presets and that's just the way it was. But now people are realize that there are certain "subjective" qualities of the Universe, such as happiness and unity, which must also have a preset. I would say, scientifically speaking, one of the greatest realizations of the 20th century were the fringe New Age Aquarians realizing that the world could be either 1 or -1, depending on your outlook. 1 is paradise on earth, -1 is hell on earth, and what if heaven or hell is on earth. That must mean we are living somewhere in between. But the silly part is that you can't change what isn't already complete. Something must be perfect to make it more perfect, and if perfection is the tendency toward wholeness, then the universe perfect and getting more perfect, like expanding. I know you probably don't understand what I'm saying so don't worry about it. You'll understand soon enough.

Are you sure that you are not hiding your true beliefs, Aquarius? Your avatar looks suspiciously like the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

see: http://www.venganza.org/

My name is aquarius, I linked alan watts and my profile is a jug of water...

Nice try tho ;)

drpsholder - some people do believe because of fear. Others believe for other reasons. You seem to have a fear of admitting that you just can't prove that God(s) do not exist. Proving non-existance is indeed almost impossible.

Many scientist believe in dark matter. They infer its existance by observing that galaxies are spinning much too fast to account for their angular momentum. Therefore they conclude that there must be enough mass present to sustain the observed rotation however we cannot interact or directly observe such matter.

This sort of argument opens the door for belief in the existance of an intelligent being, perhaps made out of dark matter. Who knows? If you can accept dark matter and dark energy hypotheses it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for some people to believe in "dark" beings.

The only answer to fear is love. But the truth is most religious people don't love God as much as they should because that God is telling them to love themselves because they are a part of God, but they don't know it.

First, agnostic has to do with "know", whereas atheist has to do with "belief" Therefore, even bible thumping believers(notice its not bible thumping knowers) can be considered agnostic since there is no way to "know" whether god exists or not.

So, I do not believe in religion(atheist), but there is no way to know(agnostic) whether a god exists or not. But we can easily conclude that the god, as defined in any of the holy books, doesn't exist because their evidence doesn't support the existence of their respective god.

But that's all small stuff. The things that I mentioned are the errors. One such error is that the bible portrays a geocentric universe..........Isaiah 11 mentions 4 corners of the earth. 

Im not talking about why they believe.........Im talking about why they CANT disbelieve and that reason is fear.

If the Great Unicorn promised to punish me for disbelieving in him and then you learned that I CANT disbelieve...........what on earth would be a good reason for me to not disbelieve?  Fear of his punishment.

I never claimed that Gods do not exist........because I admit that they certainly might exist.  

So you see, I have no fear admitting what you claimed I was fearful of admitting.  Now, let's see if you are fearful of admitting that you were wrong about what I was and was not able to admit.

Let's see how honest you are with me, this forum, and yourself!

The bible is poetry...sort of. It should be taken literally and metaphorically at the same time. So, in fact, should most religious spiritual texts. They can written in a form of language that is both true and false, where cold implies hot and life implies death, and the converse, that hot implies cold and death implies life. Jesus himself was enlightened, sort of like the Buddha, and he represents an easy way to understand God, but not the best way.

Also I tend to agree with gnosis is stronger than faith.

Wrong. They have a reason to believe in dark matter..........because the evidence of "observing that galaxies are spinning much too fast to account for their angular momentum."

Now, this evidence may be wrong or it may be correct.  But it is evidence(and sound evidence at that) to suggest the existence of dark matter. 

But the evidence to support the belief in a god isn't sound at all. But to those that are too scared to learn, they will believe in a god no matter what proof is presented to them. They CANT leave their religion for fear of eternal punishment.

I think the only answer to fear is knowledge.

If you are scared of a dog, then its because you don't know whether it will bite you or not. If you KNEW that they dog wouldn't bite you, then you have no reason to fear the dog biting you.

314 "They can written in a form of language that is both true and false, where cold implies hot and life implies death,"  VERY INTERESTING

zen attitude : YIN and YANG philosophie

Mcbeth "fair is foul and foul is fair"   3 witches 

Best regards Aquarius