petrosianpupil, I hope that was good wine or spirits. Enjoy the rest of the weekend. cheers!
Rosheen-Dove
Alex don't wanna know, he is perfectly at home with his jibba jabba, better the devil you know, that's what he sez.
You too intelligent for alex, he is lucky he is not debating you in college, it would be horrible for him, he would be defeat badly.
so if this is a matter of discussion and a matter of point of view then we can at least say that god is not a fact......if it were a fact we wouldn't be talking here.....god is not a truth it is a lie created in the old times.
drpsholder wrote: But again, again, again..............just because you say there was a creator doesn't mean it was supernatural. There is no evidence for anything supernatural. I wonder why you can't find any evidence for supernatural?
Now we do have evidence for natural processes. So it can only be logical to believe the evidence instead of believing what you don't have evidence for.
Is this your mantra, there is no supernatural power and there is evidences for natural processes, saying over and over doesn't make it true.
First it is easier and logical that God created the universe and earth and everything. God or a creator of course has supernatural powers, how can He created without it. Duh!
Second: His creation is a marvel, let take a bird, its wings is so complicated, every bones and feathers its meant for flight, a wing of a insect is also very complicated, the ladybug's wings a great marvel or a bee's wings, its body is too big for his wings but it is able to fly, the humman hand is a marvel, no animal possess it or the human eye is so complex and you have to everything working right to have sight; there many more in this world to marvel God's creation, it point to a supernatural being that creates wonderful things. A single cell should be a enough to prove God existence and his supernatural power. God is God and He has supernatural power other wise He is not God. So simple!
Evolution on trial !!! You position on natural processes without a creator or creator without supernatural is ridiculous.
First: You are saying that things can come into existences without supernatural forces. Now, think about this. This is so illogocal and irrational that something can come into existences with a creator or supernatural forces. It is proven scientific that you cannot created life spontaneous without a creator, something must aid that first life form.
Second: Darwin lied, he knew there was no evidence in the fossil records for evolution theories. Still the evolutionists teach it as sceince and its foundation is a lie. I call this faulty sciences.
Third: Can complex things like a single cell, the brain, the human hand, the human eye, bird wings and insect wings and DNA code really come natural selection, random, by accident, natural processes, it is so illogical and irrational that these things can be created by natural processes. How can a species survive when it is evolving, wouldn't it be helpless because first it is not fully evolve and second when it is in the processes in evolving it is a mutation and not fully functioning and cannot survive. You see the problem with evolution, if it took years to evolve to a different species, how did it survive to become a different species?
But the fact that you can't provide any supernatural evidence proves that I am correct.
I wonder why you CANT understand this? I bet you are incapable, which leads me to question your intelligence. LOL
drpsholder wrote: But again, again, again..............just because you say there was a creator doesn't mean it was supernatural. There is no evidence for anything supernatural. I wonder why you can't find any evidence for supernatural?
Now we do have evidence for natural processes. So it can only be logical to believe the evidence instead of believing what you don't have evidence for.
Is this your mantra, there is no supernatural power and there is evidences for natural processes, saying over and over doesn't make it true.
First it is easier and logical that God created the universe and earth and everything. God or a creator of course has supernatural powers, how can He created without it. Duh!
Second: His creation is a marvel, let take a bird, its wings is so complicated, every bones and feathers its meant for flight, a wing of a insect is also very complicated, the ladybug's wings a great marvel or a bee's wings, its body is too big for his wings but it is able to fly, the humman hand is a marvel, no animal possess it or the human eye is so complex and you have to everything working right to have sight; there many more in this world to marvel God's creation, it point to a supernatural being that creates wonderful things. A single cell should be a enough to prove God existence and his supernatural power. God is God and He has supernatural power other wise He is not God. So simple!
Evolution on trial !!! You position on natural processes without a creator or creator without supernatural is ridiculous.
First: You are saying that things can come into existences without supernatural forces. Now, think about this. This is so illogocal and irrational that something can come into existences with a creator or supernatural forces. It is proven scientific that you cannot created life spontaneous without a creator, something must aid that first life form.
Second: Darwin lied, he knew there was no evidence in the fossil records for evolution theories. Still the evolutionists teach it as sceince and its foundation is a lie. I call this faulty sciences.
Third: Can complex things like a single cell, the brain, the human hand, the human eye, bird wings and insect wings and DNA code really come natural selection, random, by accident, natural processes, it is so illogical and irrational that these things can be created by natural processes. How can a species survive when it is evolving, wouldn't it be helpless because first it is not fully evolve and second when it is in the processes in evolving it is a mutation and not fully functioning and cannot survive. You see the problem with evolution, if it took years to evolve to a different species, how did it survive to become a different species?
Nope its not logical to think that this earth was created supernaturally...........BECAUSE THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF SUPERNATURAL.
Im starting to think that you are never going to understand this despite trying very hard to do so. Im really questioning your intelligence now based on the evidence you keep supplying so graciously! LOL
there is no concrete evidence of evolution from DNA sequencing. The human race has NEVER created a simple amino acid in a laboritory enviroment AND SUSTAINED IT! Thats just the tip of the iceberg, my understanding is that there are eight (8) essential amino protiens to create life as we know it. If we can't do it in a controlled laboritory enviroment with EXTREME intervention & manipulation by persons who are ALREADY predisposed to aquiring the answer that they want to begin with, why would you believe that it happened "naturraly" in a viotale & uncontrolled enviroment. This means that those unguided natural processes you are refering to had to do it WITHOUT help not once, but eight INDIVIDUALISTIC times & ARRANGE themselves? There's another way Genesis chapter 1.
Doesn't have to. Now we see that yor objections to evolution are founded on things that don't matter.
In other words, your criticism of evolution is wrong..........and shows that you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about!
there is no concrete evidence of evolution from DNA sequencing. The human race has NEVER created a simple amino acid in a laboritory enviroment AND SUSTAINED IT! Thats just the tip of the iceberg, my understanding is that there are eight (8) essential amino protiens to create life as we know it. If we can't do it in a controlled laboritory enviroment with EXTREME intervention & manipulation by persons who are ALREADY predisposed to aquiring the answer that they want to begin with, why would you believe that it happened "naturraly" in a viotale & uncontrolled enviroment. This means that those unguided natural processes you are refering to had to do it WITHOUT help not once, but eight INDIVIDUALISTIC times & ARRANGE themselves? There's another way Genesis chapter 1.
I see that alex proved you wrong in a matter of seconds. So see, you have no valid argument against evolution.
It would be the same if I didn't believe grass was green because it has long slender blades..........as if having blades means it cant be green. My objection to grass being green is unfounded and just plain dumb........much like your objections.
they are childish attempts to keep from understanding very simple things........and this causes us to question creationists intelligence! A lot! LOL
quantumlee wrote:
yureesystem wrote:
petrosianpupil wrote:
sorry my language is crap. Apologies yureesystem I have changed it. Its late and i have drunk too much!
That is okay, my friend. Anyone who take the time to study Greek thinkers and philosophers, is okay by me. Let discuss this topic like gentleman, I don't mind if you disagree with me or never change your views
so if this is a matter of discussion and a matter of point of view then we can at least say that god is not a fact......if it were a fact we wouldn't be talking here.....god is not a truth it is a lie created in the old times.
I don't mind a person taking opposing views with me ,we can discuss and debated.
Sir, God is relevant because without Him, it would be hard to explain how this world and universe was created. That is the only explanation how our earth and the universe was created by a creator. Unless you have a possible explanation?
alex-rodriguez wrote:
"he knew the fossil record did not give any evidence to evolution"
yureesystem apparently thinks scientific progress came to a complete stop in 1859. And he apparently knows nothing about the evidence for evolution from DNA sequencing which is thousands of times more powerful than the entire fossil record. Fossils are useful but biologists don't need any fossils to be 100% certain evolution is fact.
Science deniers always know zero about the science they don't like. And they go out of their way to make sure they never do know anything. Their problem is incurable. If people have zero curiosity about the world there is nothing that can be done for them. They will waste the rest of their lives being completely wrong about everything.
Education is a wonderful thing but for millions of Americans education hurts their brains.
Are you disingenuous or worst completely deceived. In his book Evolution:A Theory in Crisis by Micheal Denton, he summarized the bleak situation of evolution:
The universal experience of pleontoology... is that while the rocks have continuall yield new and exciting and even bizarre forms of life... what they have never yielded is any of darwin's myriads of transitional form. Despite the tremendous increase in geological activity in every conner of the globe and despite the discovery of many strange and hitherto unknown forms, infinitude of connecting links still not been discoverd and the fossil record is about as discontinuous as it was when Darwin was writing the Origin. The intermediates have remained as elusive as ever and their absence remains, a century later, one of the most striking characteristics of the fossil record.
After 156 years there no evidences in fossil record for evolution, the missing link is still the misssing link,and no transitional forms in the fossil record.
You must be the type of person who will hold to a faults view without checking the facts, a belief is not science and doesn't make it true.
National Geographic society aligned with zeolous scientists who glued a dinosaur tail to a primitive bird, evolutiontists will do anything to prove their case, lying and deceits; it is not first time and won't be the last, the evolutiontists learn from Darwin well.
Why are not able to find any supernatural evidence???? I knew you didn't have any and your lack of being able to find any shows that I was right.
Its illogical to believe in something where there is no evidence.
A smart person would be able to understand this. See why I question your intelligence? LMAO!
Rosheen-Dove wrote: You would die quickly however without air that you cannot see, so if you say there is nothing beyond our senses, nothing sacred, then that is an assumption and not a fact. Knowledge cannot account for everything. Science is part of knowledge.
That is so profound and deep and beautiful!
Evolution may have some truth to it, but as for explaining how life works, it doesn't! It just maps changes without having much clue why the changes go that way.
It doesn't attempt, nor does it need to, explain how life works. So your objection is unjustified.
You are placing things on evolution that evolution doesn't attempt to do and then claiming that since evolution doesn't attempt to explain how life works..........that it must be incorrect or incomplete, which is wrong.
Rosheen-Dove wrote: You would die quickly however without air that you cannot see, so if you say there is nothing beyond our senses, nothing sacred, then that is an assumption and not a fact. Knowledge cannot account for everything. Science is part of knowledge.
That is so profound and deep and beautiful!
Its a belief and we can believe it until new evidence proves us wrong. That's why we are asking for supernatural evidence and laughing at you guys for not being able to produce any! LMAO!
but nice try. It probably worked on the dumb and gullible, but not on smart people. Try again!
Rosheen-Dove wrote: You would die quickly however without air that you cannot see, so if you say there is nothing beyond our senses, nothing sacred, then that is an assumption and not a fact. Knowledge cannot account for everything. Science is part of knowledge.
That is so profound and deep and beautiful!
In other words, we are not making knowledge claims we are making belief claims. Big difference that you fail to understand for some very strange reason. What is that reason? LOL Dont WANT to understand or simply CANT understand? Which is it?
If I were you, I would prove its because you don't WANT to understand because the other allows us to question your intelligence.
So, which is it???? I know you will not answer this question because of what the answer reveals! WATCH how this works! WHAHAHAHA
quantumlee wrote:
yureesystem wrote:
petrosianpupil wrote:
sorry my language is crap. Apologies yureesystem I have changed it. Its late and i have drunk too much!
That is okay, my friend. Anyone who take the time to study Greek thinkers and philosophers, is okay by me. Let discuss this topic like gentleman, I don't mind if you disagree with me or never change your views
so if this is a matter of discussion and a matter of point of view then we can at least say that god is not a fact......if it were a fact we wouldn't be talking here.....god is not a truth it is a lie created in the old times.
I don't mind a person taking opposing views, with we can discuss and debated.
Sir, God is relevant because without Him, it would be hard to explain how this world and universe was created. That is the only explanation how our earth and the universe was created by a creator. Unless you have a possible explanation?
it is not the only explanation.......it is not even an explanation.....the universe was created by physical factors we don't know and understand.....why do you fill in the gap of our knowledge by god....the laws of physics are facts....once we didn't have much knowledge of physics now we have more but we don't have all of it......the answer is not god it is unknown science yet.....
there is no concrete evidence of evolution from DNA sequencing. The human race has NEVER created a simple amino acid in a laboritory enviroment AND SUSTAINED IT! Thats just the tip of the iceberg, my understanding is that there are eight (8) essential amino protiens to create life as we know it. If we can't do it in a controlled laboritory enviroment with EXTREME intervention & manipulation by persons who are ALREADY predisposed to aquiring the answer that they want to begin with, why would you believe that it happened "naturraly" in a viotale & uncontrolled enviroment. This means that those unguided natural processes you are refering to had to do it WITHOUT help not once, but eight INDIVIDUALISTIC times & ARRANGE themselves? There's another way Genesis chapter 1.
Doesn't have to. Now we see that yor objections to evolution are founded on things that don't matter.
In other words, your criticism of evolution is wrong..........and shows that you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about!
No, your believe is that evolution,creation, abiogenesis, six-one-half-dozen-or-another, can be explained by naturally processes. That means that through natural processes we should be able to create life cause that's the way it happened. The problem is we can't do it. We can't even produce life through artificial means where we control ALL the parameters. ie if you can't do it by the means you say it happened thats probably not the way it happened.
quantumlee wrote:
yureesystem wrote:
petrosianpupil wrote:
sorry my language is crap. Apologies yureesystem I have changed it. Its late and i have drunk too much!
That is okay, my friend. Anyone who take the time to study Greek thinkers and philosophers, is okay by me. Let discuss this topic like gentleman, I don't mind if you disagree with me or never change your views
so if this is a matter of discussion and a matter of point of view then we can at least say that god is not a fact......if it were a fact we wouldn't be talking here.....god is not a truth it is a lie created in the old times.
I don't mind a person taking opposing views with me ,we can discuss and debated.
Sir, God is relevant because without Him, it would be hard to explain how this world and universe was created. That is the only explanation how our earth and the universe was created by a creator. Unless you have a possible explanation?
There is no evidence for supernatural.
Sorry that Im having to tell you this over and over again. Its just more evidence that shows you are incapable of learning! I wonder why?
there is no concrete evidence of evolution from DNA sequencing. The human race has NEVER created a simple amino acid in a laboritory enviroment AND SUSTAINED IT! Thats just the tip of the iceberg, my understanding is that there are eight (8) essential amino protiens to create life as we know it. If we can't do it in a controlled laboritory enviroment with EXTREME intervention & manipulation by persons who are ALREADY predisposed to aquiring the answer that they want to begin with, why would you believe that it happened "naturraly" in a viotale & uncontrolled enviroment. This means that those unguided natural processes you are refering to had to do it WITHOUT help not once, but eight INDIVIDUALISTIC times & ARRANGE themselves? There's another way Genesis chapter 1.
Doesn't have to. Now we see that yor objections to evolution are founded on things that don't matter.
In other words, your criticism of evolution is wrong..........and shows that you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about!
No, your believe is that evolution,creation, abiogenesis, six-one-half-dozen-or-another, can be explained by naturally processes. That means that through natural processes we should be able to create life cause that's the way it happened. The problem is we can't do it. We can't even produce life through artificial means where we control ALL the parameters. ie if you can't do it by the means you say it happened thats probably not the way it happened.
Nope, just because life, earth, universe was created naturally doesn't mean that man should be able to do the same.
Ok, so create something using supernatural processes..........because according to you if you can't do it by the means you say it happened, that''s probably not the way it happened, huh?
evolution is not creation.........things don't pop up as you click your finger......it takes a long way to get there....but by always by means of physical laws.......you think of being created or to create things as if a click of your finger.....as if to build up by your hands and equipment....actually it is a long process to be developed for natural beings....like humans like animals and like plants......also the developement of atoms and elements require a long journey before they fit in our bodies........
