instead of saying "the universe didnt create itself so it needs a creator" and then inventing a creator that created himself, it would be simpler to say that the universe created itself.
If the universe requires a creator then the creator should require a creator = religion is made-up
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ZigyStardust wrote:
God was never created
so might as well say the universe was never created.
if its ok to just claim that this and that was never created, we might as well just do it with the universe and then we dont need the creator for anything anyway.
ZigyStardust wrote:
Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:
instead of saying "the universe didnt create itself so it needs a creator" and then inventing a creator that created himself, it would be simpler to say that the universe created itself.
ur logic is like a fish in the sea:
hey im a fish, god must be a fish too
no it isnt. i am not saying i am like the universe. that would be pretty messed up to say that lol.
i espressely state that the universe created itself.
and i not believe that i created myself lol
so you should have figured out urself by logic that i dont believe the universe is like me.
Sep 8, 2015
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#625
Seriously, LOOK UP THE MEANING OF THE WORD NAIVE!!!
Back on topic: But Beethoven came from somewhere.
ZigyStardust wrote:
ok guys this is boring
God is not the universe which he created
think outside the box
there is no god, there is just a universe which either always existed OR created itself.
its a better world view whan the one with universe + a creator because
a) it is simpler
b) it answers all the same questions
ilikecapablanca wrote:
Seriously, LOOK UP THE MEANING OF THE WORD NAIVE!!!
Back on topic: But Beethoven came from somewhere.
yeah from Bonn, Germany
so the question now is
where did BONN come from? who put it there? and why? it would be ok if there was just an empty forest where bonn is, but someone didnt want it so.
Sep 8, 2015
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#629
But I do not think that Bonn, Germany is a good example of the universe...
Sep 8, 2015
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ZigyStardust wrote:
"The Creation and the Creator are two different things. Therefore, the Creator also requires a creator reasoning is not logical"
(u guys enjoy ur face rubbed dont u?)
ziggystardust is insane...
Sep 8, 2015
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#633
The problem is, Beethoven is not God, and we have no evidence to suggest that we are ideas, which music is.
so you are saying that beethoven always existed or wat? or that he created himself?
ZigyStardust wrote:
God was never created
Then he doesn't exist. Remember, anything that exists, must have a creator, therefore your god must have been created.
ZigyStardust wrote:
dont confuse apples w/ oranges
im giving beethoven as an example
btw a music piece is a creation not an idea
But the music piece started out as an idea. WOW, I wonder why you guys are having a hard time figuring this out??
Its as if you don't want to figure it out. Why are you trying to NOT understand when you could be trying to understand?
why be so against learning? Or is it because you CANT learn? Which is it?
Dont WANT to learn or just simply CANT learn? LOL
ZigyStardust wrote:
dont confuse apples w/ oranges
im giving beethoven as an example
btw a music piece is a creation not an idea
LOOL
you are using beethoven as an example of something noncreated, using an apple as an example for an orange
in the SAME post that you complain about apples and oranges
Sep 8, 2015
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#638
Maybe some of you should lay your heads down....you know - go get a little rest.
And remember that a bunch of chimps would need to write out a "How to Care for your Pet Monkey" book by happenstance first just to prove it could be done....since it hasn't been done yet, right ?
The Scientific Method isn't shallow enuf to rely on the probability of gambling.
Sep 8, 2015
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#639
alex-rodriguez wrote:
"There are no missing links"
Why do the science deniers keep repeating the same lies?
The fossil record is excellent and still growing. Already we have the complete fossil record that shows the development of whales from land animals. We also have fossils that show the transition from our ancient ape ancestors.
What the uneducated god-soaked don't understand is we don't need any fossils. The overwheiming evidence from DNA sequencing and other branches of science is more powerful than Darwin could have imagined possible.
The problem here is most of you people are either children or you still act like children.
well done buddy 
Can't you all accept both God and Evolution as fact? Theistic evolution is the most logical position in the debate because we can acknowledge the creator and ruler of the universe without denying scientific facts and discoveries. People say who created God but uncaused cause and prime mover have meanings behind them you should look up and see why infinite regression is illogical.
The Archbishop of Canterbury, Pope, and countless ministers and rabbis acknowledge evolution as fact, why can't many of you? Would you dare say you know better than these well-educated men with their theological degrees?
if everything requires a creator then god requieres a creator too.....end
the rest is bla bla bla...