This debate has gotten out of control. The atheists are not going to change their point of view and the believers are not going to change theirs. So why don't we stop the insult hurling and maybe make this a more peaceful debate.
If the universe requires a creator then the creator should require a creator = religion is made-up
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17rileyc wrote:
This debate has gotten out of control. The atheists are not going to change their point of view and the believers are not going to change theirs. So why don't we stop the insult hurling and maybe make this a more peaceful debate.
Right. One of us thinks we will get punished if we change our beliefs. The other group doesn't. So, who is capable of changing their beliefs?
We don't change our beliefs, because theists don't provide evidence to support their claims. Theists don't change their beliefs because they think they will be punished for eternity by their very own personal god.
big difference in WHY we don't change our beliefs.
Sep 9, 2015
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k, riley. we shall try..... thank you.
@ stephen-------
The old testament was for the Jews, the New Testament is for all, to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
God is a just and righteous judge. He takes vengeance on whom he will...and don't even go there, why he allows bad things to happen, he didn't start the war, satan did, and has been deceiving man into believing his lies, ever since.
Love sweet love
Sep 9, 2015
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I read the King James Version, it is the true Word of God, not the NAB, or any other.
Sep 9, 2015
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@ a-rod -----For one thing, faith is not a virtue, faith is life. Where there is no faith, there is no life.
This debate is like the two thieves on the cross that died, with Jesus in between them............ one came to the conscienceness of his sins, and the other still rejected Christ, him being in the same condemnation.
Sep 9, 2015
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You might have a life now, but when you die, you will not, if you do not believe (have faith) that Jesus can save your wretched soul, and accept him as your Lord and Savior.
drpsholder wrote:
bgjettguitar wrote:
Relax,,... I believe in flying spaghetti monsters and God. You don't. Live & let live. You've made it clear that you have firmed unequivocally your answer that God cannot exist. You will never be convinced by viscerally vitriolic emotionalism nor a good dash of ratiocination. I believe God exists & I'm prepared to live with my final answer. Live with your answer. Any who! There's a chess tournament in Chagrin Falls, Ohio next month or so I was told. The tactics function here is really cool!
Nope, I've said nothing of the sort. I do not believe gods exist, but they might.........I do not know. (not saying your comment was about me, but I always find it necessary to correct someone when they claim that we think that god cannot exist.)
I, therefore, am an agnostic atheist.
You are neither. You cannot be both. An aethiest has determined there IS NO GOD! irregardless of religion. An agnostic is a person that DOES NOT KNOW IF THERE IS A GOD! irregardless of religion, BUT is not adverse to there being a GOD if it is reasonable & he accepts. This is the reason I asked you what you were 35 pages ago. You couldn't answer me then due to a lack of knowledge so you engaged in semantics just as now. The Bible describes you perfectly " And everyman did that wich was right in his own eyes."
Why are you arguing over this? I mean saying that God is real and you have to believe in him is insulting other people's beliefs. Saying that God isn't real is insulting people who believe in God. So if we stop arguing, everyone is happier.
alex-rodriguez wrote:
Can you at least try to respect each other's beliefs? Just because somebody believes in something different than you doesn't make them stupid. We all see different logic in different things.
If some superstitious person thinks evolution is wrong but the god fairy is real, I'm going to point out the obvious fact that person has a mental problem.
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17rileyc wrote:
alex-rodriguez wrote:
modern_dancer
If some superstitious person thinks evolution is wrong but the god fairy is real, I'm going to point out the obvious fact that person has a mental problem.
Can you at least try to respect each other's beliefs? Just because somebody believes in something different thanL you doesn't make them stupid. We all see different logic in different things.
Correct.
alex-rodriguez wrote:
I, therefore, am an agnostic atheist.
That is totally wrong. The word atheist does not need any adjectives. A person is either a real atheist or a person has a mental problem.
Nope, not at all. I do not believe gods exist(atheist), but they might.......I simply do not know(agnostic).
1 concerns belief, whereas the other concerns knowledge. I did not claim, nor imply that the term atheist needs an adjective.
If you ask me if I know..........then Im agnostic.
If you ask me if I believe.......them Im an atheist.
17rileyc wrote:
alex-rodriguez wrote:
If some superstitious person thinks evolution is wrong but the god fairy is real, I'm going to point out the obvious fact that person has a mental problem.
Can you at least try to respect each other's beliefs? Just because somebody believes in something different than you doesn't make them stupid. We all see different logic in different things.
Its not that they JUST believe in something different.............its that their beliefs are illogical or not backed by evidence.
And what should we think of people who believe in such things like 2+2=10? Why should we think they are smart for believing in things that are so easily proven wrong? Should we think they are smart? Why or why not?
big difference. I just wonder why you are not able to see it?
drpsholder wrote:
If you believe they don't have any logic, let that be their problem. You don't need to insult others to prove a point.
17rileyc wrote:
alex-rodriguez wrote:
If some superstitious person thinks evolution is wrong but the god fairy is real, I'm going to point out the obvious fact that person has a mental problem.
Can you at least try to respect each other's beliefs? Just because somebody believes in something different than you doesn't make them stupid. We all see different logic in different things.
Its not that they JUST believe in something different.............its that their beliefs are illogical or not backed by evidence.
big difference. I just wonder why you are not able to see it?
Sep 9, 2015
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drpsholder wrote:
17rileyc wrote:
alex-rodriguez wrote:
modern_dancer
If some superstitious person thinks evolution is wrong but the god fairy is real, I'm going to point out the obvious fact that person has a mental problem.
Can you at least try to respect each other's beliefs? Just because somebody believes in something different than you doesn't make them stupid. We all see different logic in different things.
Its not that they JUST believe in something different.............its that their beliefs are illogical or not backed by evidence.
big difference. I just wonder why you are not able to see it?
He's a tolerant person.Tolerant people are my kind of people.Also many subtheists have irrational fears.You may have one of those fears.
And everybody is still arguing. Whatever. Don't listen to little old me.
17rileyc wrote:
drpsholder wrote:
17rileyc wrote:
alex-rodriguez wrote:
If some superstitious person thinks evolution is wrong but the god fairy is real, I'm going to point out the obvious fact that person has a mental problem.
Can you at least try to respect each other's beliefs? Just because somebody believes in something different than you doesn't make them stupid. We all see different logic in different things.
Its not that they JUST believe in something different.............its that their beliefs are illogical or not backed by evidence.
big difference. I just wonder why you are not able to see it?
If you believe they don't have any logic, let that be their problem. You don't need to insult others to prove a point.
So you now see that its not just because we have a difference of opinion.......its that we know their opinion is wrong........that's why our opinions/beliefs differ?
Also, some people consider it insulting when you say anything negative about their god. If you mention that God condones slavery as mentioned in Exodus 21............even though this is a fact and true, it offends some christians; maybe all, I do not know.
So when you are considering "insults" we first have to define what is and is not insulting..........because as shown, sometimes the truth can be insulting.
@ dipster
That is why it is called faith, it doesn't have to have evidence, that is the only way we can come to him, otherwise, you shut your own self out from him, and that is just what you do, and the worst part of it all, is that you are leading others the wrong way, too.
I know..........that's why its so stupid to believe in something without evidence.
Its like believing in unicorns.
I bet out of all your beliefs, there is only one that is considered faith. All others are based on beliefs except that one. Interesting, huh?
Interesting, how you base all of your beliefs on evidence(just like I do) except 1. See how you have made an exception to the rule?