Is God real ?

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1) God

2) Because there are many stories around the world that agree with, the Bible proved some things before science, and everything it says to do is right. Did you expect me to say "because God wrote it?" No, that would be a circular argument.

Now, tell me:

1) Why does everything exist?

2) What is reliable?

pawnkeeper

"What evidence do you have that God exists?"

CHRISTIAN: I think the universe itself is evidence God exists.

SKEPTIC: Why?

CHRISTIAN: Can we agree that the universe exists?

SKEPTIC: Of course.

CHRISTIAN: Well, think of this. The universe exists, but how did it come to be? Philosophers and thinkers down through the ages have narrowed it down to three options:

1. It has always been (and if that's the case there's no need for a creator).
2. It created itself (again, no need for God. It brought itself into existence).
3. It was created.

The first option, that the universe is eternal, has been utterly rejected by the scientific community. Why? Astronomers are pointing to things like the background radiation echo, the motion of the galaxies, the second law of thermodynamics, and other evidences all of which have led them to conclude that the universe had a beginning. Option two, that the universe created itself, is philosophically impossible. Of course, before the universe existed it would not have been around to do the creating. Obviously, a non-existent universe could not have done anything! It did not exist. We all know that nothing cannot do something. Nothing is nothing. Nothing cannot see, smell, act, think, let alone create something. So option one and two can be thrown out purely on scientific and philosophical grounds. Option three, that something or someone outside of the universe created the universe, is the option that both reason and the evidence point to.

SKEPTIC: I hear what you're saying, but I still have a hard time believing in a God that I cannot see.

CHRISTIAN: I understand that struggle. I struggled with that before I became a believer as well. Let me help you think through this though. Let’s imagine I am holding up a painting. When you see a painting, what proof do you need to establish the fact that a painter exists? Nothing else besides the painting itself. The painting is absolute proof that there was a painter. You do not need to see the painter to believe that he or she exists. The painting is all the evidence you need. It would not be there if the painter did not exist, and so it is with the universe. The existence of the universe itself is compelling evidence for a creator.


SKEPTIC:  But if the universe demands a creator, then why can’t we just say God must have a creator as well? In other words, who made God?

CHRISTIAN: Nobody made God. Unlike the finite universe (a universe that began to exist) that demands a creator, God does not need a creator.

SKEPTIC:
Why?

CHRISTIAN:
Because He is eternal. Someone who has always existed does not need a creator or someone to have brought Him into existence, because He’s always been. Psalm 90:2 says, “Even from everlasting to everlasting You are God.” God is eternal. But the universe falls into an entirely different category. As the
scientific discoveries have shown, it has not always existed. And anything that begins to exist requires a cause or maker. Things don’t just pop into existence all on their own. Nothing does not produce something.

SKEPTIC: You believe that God has just always existed?

CHRISTIAN:
Yes.

SKEPTIC:
Impossible!

CHRISTIAN:
Well, before you scoff at the notion of God having always existed, keep this in mind: something must have always existed. Do you realize that?

SKEPTIC:
Why do you think that?

CHRISTIAN:
Well, think through this with me: if nothing cannot produce something, and yet something exists, then it follows necessarily that something has always existed (in order to bring the something into existence). Think of it this way:

1. If there ever was a time that absolutely nothing existed, nothing would exist now.
2. Something exists now.
3. Therefore, there was never a time that absolutely nothing existed.

So, to answer the question, Who made God? No one. God is eternal and does not need a maker. The universe is not eternal and does require a maker.

Ghostliner

"God is eternal."

"Why?"

"Because I just said so."

u1234567890_1

lol ghostliner. I predicted someone would respond with something like that.

Ghostliner

"Cos it's a hard road on your own, you gotta learn the way you do, take my advice don't let 'em treat you like a fool, hey brain I'm gonna look you in the eye, that's when we started singin'..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cthIOxKGII

blaufalkon
Even if u dont debate how we got here i do find it quite interesting how perfect earth is for life
actualnotanewbie
Ghostliner wrote:

"God is eternal."

"Why?"

"Because I just said so."

That's not really using reason, nobody says "Because I said so" when referring to religion.

17rileyc

From a scientific standpoint, if God can neither be proven nor disproven, then his existence is a theory. From a religious standpoint, the existence of God (the Christian one) is dependent on the accuracy and truthfulness of the Bible.

blaufalkon

so how do YOU believe we got here?

since it is obvious we havnt been here forever

17rileyc

Personally, I believe humans were created. Just as a car does not occur naturally, a creature as complex as a human must have been designed.

blaufalkon

what do u think created us?

17rileyc

Well, through my personal study of the Bible, I think it to be most likely that the Christian God created us. However, there are so many Christian denominations, and most are flawed in some way. So I don't really affiliate with any specific denomination; I just follow my individual beliefs.

u1234567890_1

Well said MorraMeister

blaufalkon

WOOOOO HOOOO (clap clap clap clap clap)

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Ghostliner
mapayt wrote:
Ghostliner wrote:

"God is eternal."

"Why?"

"Because I just said so."

That's not really using reason, nobody says "Because I said so" when referring to religion.

Oh yeah? And when was the last time you listened to a preacher (or a priest, or a Rabbi, or an Imam, or a guru, or a minister)? I'm afraid I can't agree with you my friend - ALL religion is made up.

Except mine of course, that goes without saying:


madhacker

How dare you question my existence?

Elastico_2

NO. SOMEBODY INVENTED GOD FROM HIS OR HER BRAIN INTIRELY AND WE ALL BELIVED IT

Ziggy_Zugzwang

The problem as ever with this topic is that different people have different ideas of "God". To those who say no, they may visualise the "idea" as one of a man in the clouds with a white beard - and this may indeed be the "idea" that people of  little education who "believe" also agree. Some may regard "God" as the underlying intelligence/consciousness in creation and others may say this actually negates the idea of "God", since He is a set of laws rather than a thrower of thunderbolts with this model...

Everybody argues from their own personal idea of "God". I believe the answer is neither "yes" or "no", but what do you mean by "God" ? No one is prepared to do this because they may find they agree more than they disagree and where would be the fun of arguing ?

American and Europeans could start having a debate about "football" and after a while wonder what the other was talking about. Then it may become clear "Football" can mean different things to different people.

To say "yes" or "no" to the question : "Does God Exist ?", is just to kick the ball back and forward. If I revealed a concept I call "Wodarg" and said "Do you believe in this entity ?" The questions asked should be : "How do you define this ? What do you mean ?"

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