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TomGa wrote:
I've only got a moment but I saw something this morning I want to share.

For me the illusion never stops but what can be achieved is that we can see through it and understand it.

And that my friends can be put into words.
 
Your lack of an example, in conjunction with the absence of specificity - Much less, why you 'See' Life, as an 'illusion'; Doesn't succeed, in 'converting' Anyone.. who might otherwise be 'Open' to seeing things, the way you do, 'Tom.'
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Okay I've read and caught up and enjoyed reading. Thank you.
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Ratty my friend express yourself. You are amazing. We all are.
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SA.

That's an interesting point. First of all I haven't found the words quite yet to explain my position.

Secondly I don't expect that when I do anyone will be convinced of anything.

My desire my friend is to have peace for me. I want to be free. Liberated.
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I have most of the picture. I know that all that's real. Ever was and ever will be is nature.

That we project values on to things such as meaning and beauty and moral.

My final piece to the jigsaw is to understand how the I, how the me as I imagine myself to be, or experience myself to be, fits into this picture.

How my individual consciousness is a part of things.

Once I've found that I can be truly at one with the everything.

I'm almost there and I know how to make the final step.

Don't worry and map.

I'll tell you what though. Verily I say unto thee the illusion will continue.

Fact!
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It has since occurred to me, that if anyone, wants to hear the litany of arguments, against 'free will' ; Then, type-in, "Sam Harris"..'free-will' on "YouTube." ..{or even, 'free-will' and 'determinism'} ..

And, if one wants to read about it .. then 'Google' similar wording, on your friendly, 'search engine' of choice! [ :

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Right. But if it's true there is no such thing then what are we?
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Truth, be Known .. {see below}.. Even, if many of us, give it only passing acknowledgement.. to None-at-all ! ..Ie. Despite the Naysayers, of which there are many.. {with even their 'smooth-tongued' words to the contrary}.. It's All part of a Great Experiment.. where {divine}, 'interference'.. keeps, a 'low profile' if you will !

 

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Hmm
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Well I have it. I'll tell you soon.
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It'll give Kay ammunition to call me crazy though
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Hey I haven't said it yet!
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Okay. Guys. Now this probably isn't going to make a lot of sense to you people but I'll express my truth anyway.
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So I had this idea that how I had learned to cope with my OCD was to choose not to solve.

I don't mean like don't solve a problem in your life. Like let the effing kettle stay broken.

I more mean like when you mentally conceive a problem then choose not to solve it.
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The interesting thing was that when I stopped solving the problems my mind conceived the experience of free will left the building. I was just doing what came naturally.
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The 'Hound of Heaven' Poem ..{also, on "YouTube".. as read by, the 'late' "Sir Richard Burton".. as I recall}.

 

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But I had remaining the concept I was choosing not to solve. It felt like I was almost one with the universe but not quite. And I knew that was wrong for a couple of reasons.

Firstly logically I accept that only nature exists. There is no self, no soul, no being.

Secondly because I had learned that when I chose to solve I became mentally ill and knowing that I no longer took that option naturally as its an intrinsic desire to be healthy. So I could see the idea of choice was an illusion.
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Interesting SA. I'm not sure where you are going with that buddy.
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Anyway I finally got it this afternoon.

The solution to my OCD wasn't that I was choosing not to solve but that I had recorded how my mind works.

I'd learned that solving leads to paranoia and therefore if at all possible it's better not to.

Remember I'm talking about mentally solving rather than practically.
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So here I am and I say this to you. Troy says something similar at times.

Guys you think you exist, you think you have choice. But if you look a little closer you'll see that's not true.

I agree with you Troy that you don't find the truth the truth finds you.

For there is no I to seek.