Tom, For the record.. I'm glad that you 'found peace' by choosing Not, to 'solve'!
And, thanks, in part to you 'Tom'.. For the past, circa 8 or more months.. I've since come around, to believing,in 'constrained' 'free will'!
.. As on another level.. my, &!*^#!^ 'catheter', has put the 'kabosh' on any thought or temptation, of meditating, on 'impure' thoughts! ..ha! ..{though, True}.
Tom-Tom.Lighten up ! Re your thread "Wine"- your organisational skills are needed to formalise the embryonic group.It's Saturday night where you are.I'm some hours later.For tonight think more "Wine" than "Why's and Wherefores"(philosophically speaking)."When you hear that hot marimba-let yourself go-Cheers.
Oh no, beauty does exist. And it's not in the sunset, which may be beautiful, but its essence is elsewhere. It has nothing to do with a particular object.
That's the point: when you see where the I fits in, you will throw 'the map' in the trash!
"Out-of-Body, experiences, with 'Olaf Blanke' " ..{linked}. Of course, if you're one of the est. 95-to-92 % of All people, who aren't aware of ever having had one - The human inclination, is sometimes pre-disposed, to attribute that 'experience' to, any-number-of, Other explanations!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daUnVir0qUE
The experience of Louis Agassiz, told by his wife:
"He had been striving to decipher the somewhat obscure impression of a fossil fish on the stone slab in which it was preserved. Weary and perplexed, he put his work aside at last and tried to dismiss it from his mind.
Shortly after, he waked one night persuaded that while asleep he had seen his fish with all the missing features perfectly restored. "He went early to the Jardin des Plantes, thinking that on looking anew at the impression he would see something to put him on the track of his vision.
In vain—the blurred record was as blank as ever. The next night he saw the fish again, but when he waked it disappeared from his memory as before.
Hoping the same experience might be repeated, on the third night he placed a pencil and paper beside his bed before going to sleep. "Towards morning the fish reappeared in his dream, confusedly at first, but at last with such distinctness that he no longer had any doubt as to its zoological characters.
Still half dreaming, in perfect darkness, he traced these characters on the sheet of paper at the bedside. "In the morning he was surprised to see in his nocturnal sketch features which he thought it impossible the fossil itself would reveal.
He hastened to the Jardin des Plantes and, with his drawing as a guide, succeeded in chiseling away the surface of the stone under which portions of the fish proved to be hidden. When wholly exposed, the fossil corresponded with his dream and his drawing, and he succeeded in classifying it with ease.
Maybe we are talking about different things but Troy when you see a sunset it's beautiful to you.
You might think as I do that truly beauty doesn't exist.
The reality is you're just experiencing the sight of vibrations and there is no you to be conscious of that only nature.
Nonetheless it's a beautiful sunset!