'Carlson's, psychological- competitive, 'blind-spot'. - But, it's All a 'mass illusion', Anyway! ..So who cares!? ..lol
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A response of "neither" to those two choices indicates life is neither meaningful nor meaningless. Since it can't be meaningful and meaningless at the same time, it either has meaning or it doesn't. Therefore "neither" isn't an adequate answer and as a result, is incorrect.
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Learning I'll have a go at answering you. Life is neither meaningful or meaningless. Think of a sunset. It is what it is.
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Now if you are talking about how people generally experience things then we can say what do we find makes our lives meaningful? My experience is that beauty makes my life worthwhile. Or in truth the illusion of beauty. And my is an illusion and life. Ha ha
Stolen_Authenticity wrote:
'Carlson's, psychological- competitive, 'blind-spot'. - But, it's All a 'mass illusion', Anyway! ..So who cares!? ..lol
Not the indolent!
Was it Ferlinghetti who said,
"Ah day is done Day is done
And fish float through the trees
eating the seeds of the sun
O man in saffron
in the Golden Gate chanting
Hare Krishna squatting
lotus among the fern-fronds
At sundown no more Krishna
The fern-fronds unrolled"
In this sense it may appear to be meaningless and beautiful.
You are an optimist for you believe there is meaning in life.
You possess an internalist view meaning you believe life's meaning
comes from within and what meaning you place on it.
You feel the value of experiencing beauty in life is meaningful if I understood you correctly.
learningthemoves wrote:
A response of "neither" to those two choices indicates life is neither meaningful nor meaningless.
No. 'Neither' referred to 'optimism' and 'pessimism'. The meaningful/less part came after 'optimism' was given a green light. Since that's not it, there is no reference to meaning, since its inference was incorrect.
First, the false must go: both 'optimism' and 'pessimism'--there is no meaning there.
TomGa wrote:
Learning I'll have a go at answering you. Life is neither meaningful or meaningless. Think of a sunset. It is what it is.
You are stuck with an object. Therefore meaning is not. As long as there is a subject, life is meaningless. Very, very simple.
Quite useless for the meaningless subject to be looking for meaning!!
TomGa wrote:
My experience is that beauty makes my life worthwhile.
What beauty, Tom? Your perception of beauty is dependent on an object, therefore that is your perception of what you grew accustomed to label beauty, as opposed to ugly.
That is not beauty. Don't use that word. Stick to beautiful. Always be clear about what you're doing.
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I almost wasn't going, to the bother, of mentioning it.. but in # 48.. Though 'troy' typed - - Not the indolent! .. In the context, of his reply ..{if word definitions, mean anything! .. The correct response, would've been - Surely, the indolent! .. Unless, I'm 'missing' a sarcasm, there!?
The indolent doesn't care. About any illusions, mass or individual. 'He' is on automatic pilot: illusions or not, he's going after what he likes and rewards him with mental pleasure.
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'troy' .. My 'bad' .. I'll blame it on my 'constipation' {True}.. And, a modicum plus, amount, of 'angst'.. that comes froom being, normal 'aware' of everything! .. Even, the outside 'traffic noise' on a depressing 'rainy' day.. Alone! ..{though, I can easily imagine, 'having company' as potentially, Worse!}. ..ha!
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Troy I'm reading and interested but I wanted to reply to learnings objection to the concept that life can't be meaningful nor meaningless.
A subject looking for meaning is never going to find it, for its existence limits the vastness of life.
When the subject dies, meaning is revealed, uninvited.
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Imagine learning that there are natural laws that create matter. Natural forces.
And that nature naturally evolves these natural materials. And that's it. All this being stuff is just a dream because in truth it's all just nature responding to causality. There is no choice there is no freewill and there is no I.
Meaning and meaningful are subjective concepts. Remove the experiencer, the judger. What are you left with?
Just life. That's all there is.
It's not easy to see though because to see this you have to be willing to give up your existence. Die in a sense. And what joy does it bring? To accept you don't exist?
And that nature naturally evolves these natural materials. And that's it. All this being stuff is just a dream because in truth it's all just nature responding to causality. There is no choice there is no freewill and there is no I.
Meaning and meaningful are subjective concepts. Remove the experiencer, the judger. What are you left with?
Just life. That's all there is.
It's not easy to see though because to see this you have to be willing to give up your existence. Die in a sense. And what joy does it bring? To accept you don't exist?
Stolen_Authenticity wrote:
Even, the outside 'traffic noise' on a depressing 'rainy' day..
A rainy day is neither 'depressing', nor 'uplifting'. Beauty is everywhere, anytime.
TomGa wrote:
Imagine learning that there are natural laws that create matter. Natural forces.
And that nature naturally evolves these natural materials. And that's it. All this being stuff is just a dream because in truth it's all just nature responding to causality. There is no choice there is no freewill and there is no I.
Meaning and meaningful are subjective concepts. Remove the experiencer, the judger. What are you left with?
Just life. That's all there is.
It's not easy to see though because to see this you have to be willing to give up your existence. Die in a sense. And what joy does it bring? To accept you don't exist?
And that nature naturally evolves these natural materials. And that's it. All this being stuff is just a dream because in truth it's all just nature responding to causality. There is no choice there is no freewill and there is no I.
Meaning and meaningful are subjective concepts. Remove the experiencer, the judger. What are you left with?
Just life. That's all there is.
It's not easy to see though because to see this you have to be willing to give up your existence. Die in a sense. And what joy does it bring? To accept you don't exist?
It doesn't come as a reward for not living. Expecting a reward denies death. Expecting is part of living, so extending it beyond death is impossible. There is no peeking.
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Burt Lancaster SA? How is he a champion?!
Beauty is perception without object Troy?
Troy this idea that we can't part know something. Really? Since when?
Beauty is perception without object Troy?
Troy this idea that we can't part know something. Really? Since when?
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Optimism or pessimism?
Neither.