Natural selection is a fact!

Sort:
Avatar of king2queensside

 

Why does this proven mechanism bother religious orientated people so much?

 

It is one of many factors that influence life on earth.

 

It could be argued that it is one of God’s hidden miracles that helps to provide such diversity.

 

Yet it bothers them so much they have to create (lol) spurious arguments not based on fact to refute it.

 

Honest comments from religious peolple only, Why does this bother you so much?

 

Avatar of notmtwain
king2queensside wrote:

 

Why does this proven mechanism bother religious orientated people so much?

 

It is one of many factors that influence life on earth.

 

It could be argued that it is one of God’s hidden miracles that helps to provide such diversity.

 

Yet it bothers them so much they have to create (lol) spurious arguments not based on fact to refute it.

 

Honest comments from religious peolple only, Why does this bother you so much?

 

I think you should do us a favor and give us the rundown of the spurious arguments and your concise refutations of each.

Avatar of king2queensside

Thank you for your comment, however the point of this topic is "Why the objection to a known fact".

Re-hashing the objection and providing concise scientific arguments to refute is pointless, as someone will post another objection immediately.

As in someone will post, “Explain a bird wing” as soon as this is explained another objection will be posted “Explain a camel” which can also then be explained.

Essentially, I am saying if you believe in a God any God keep that belief, but why object to something that is a fact.

Avatar of notmtwain
king2queensside wrote:

 

 

Thank you for your comment, however the point of this topic is "Why the objection to a known fact".

Re-hashing the objection and providing concise scientific arguments to refute is pointless, as someone will post another objection immediately.

As in someone will post, “Explain a bird wing” as soon as this is explained another objection will be posted “Explain a camel” which can also then be explained.

Essentially, I am saying if you believe in a God any God keep that belief, but why object to something that is a fact.

Well it's your thread but if you set the standard high to start, you may get better results.

Let's hear your refutation of "intelligent design" to get us started.

Avatar of king2queensside

"Intelligent design” is the basis for most of the current objections, "intelligent design" objections themselves have evolved out of a need for some to continue to object to the facts in spite of all the evidence. No one is saying natural selection is the only mechanism or that everything has been discovered and fully explained.

The main objection based on "intelligent design” is the flawed "chance" argument which is easily refuted, see wiki for a complete explanation, however succinctly, my DNA was inherited from my parents and not “by chance".

FYI: I believe it is entirely possible for multiple universes to exist, I can never observe these, therefore, I can never 100% prove this.

Avatar of Joseph-S
king2queensside wrote:

 

Natural selection is a fact!

Why does this proven mechanism bother religious orientated people so much?

Yet it bothers them so much they have to create (lol) spurious arguments not based on fact to refute it.

Honest comments from religious peolple only, Why does this bother you so much?

 

  To say that "natural selection" is a provable FACT; is a lie.

 A natural change is from a higher state of order to a lower state of order.

 To say that according to the laws of physics, an inanimate object can come to life and morph into every living animal, plant, fish and bird on the planet; is insanity.

Avatar of king2queensside
Joseph-S wrote:

  To say that "natural selection" is a provable FACT; is a lie.

 A natural change is from a higher state of order to a lower state of order.

 To say that according to the laws of physics, an inanimate object can come to life and morph into every living animal, plant, fish and bird on the planet; is insanity.

It is not a lie, it has been proven as a mechanism that works time and time again, observable etc, however, not the point of this thread, please see below.

From a lower order to a higher order or vice versa, it is to do with fit for purpose.

Oxygen, is not "inanimate" in the sense you wish to use it, it is a catalyst for life, which over billions of years evolved into every form of life you can see.

Now to the crux of this topic, why does this truth bother you and why does it bother you so much that it is "insanity"?

Does it contradict your teachings? (Tough, your teachings have been outmoded)

Does it challenge your religious viewpoint? (I do not see how)

Does it demean your God? (Surely not)

Honest answers please…

Avatar of Joseph-S
king2queensside wrote:

Now to the crux of this topic, why does this [so-called] truth [theory of evolution] bother you? 

Does it contradict your teachings?  [it contradicts logic.]

 

  No matter how many times you call a lie, truth; it is still a lie.

Avatar of king2queensside

It condradicts logic to deny the facts, when it is backed up by obsevation and solid science.

Either, your logic is flawed or your objections are entrenched because of out-moded teachings.

FYI: For most of his life Darwin believed in God (he questioned this during his "middle period",) his publication of his book was delayed for many years while he tried to reconcile all the information he had read and gathered and how it sat with his faith. His conclusions and what he published in Origin was not a denial of God, but a denial of some of the supposed facts of the time (e.g. The age of the Earth) and a mechanism that promoted the diversity of life on Earth.

Avatar of king2queensside

You guys (Marhall Islands) are the only independant UN recognised country without a FIFA berth, is it a dollars thing or do you guys believe FIFA is a figment of our imaginations?